Manus Island

**Katman** · 10th November 2017, 08:48

So is Australia right to ignore the plight of the Manus Island refugees or should action be taken to at least ensure their health and safety?

**mashman** · 10th November 2017, 09:22

Ooooooo, that's a real tricky one. What's the GDP per capita of funding and does it represent value for money? Do you get a discount or better services if you allow yourself to be raped, beaten or tortured during your stay?

**TheDemonLord** · 10th November 2017, 09:38

Originally Posted by Katman

So is Australia right to ignore the plight of the Manus Island refugees or should action be taken to at least ensure their health and safety?

If I were to come and start living in your Garden (without your consent or permission), then you moved house and told me that I had to go elsewhere, but I refused to leave - would you be responsible for my Health and Safety?

**Katman** · 10th November 2017, 09:44

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

If I were to come and start living in your Garden (without your consent or permission), then you moved house and told me that I had to go elsewhere, but I refused to leave - would you be responsible for my Health and Safety?

I expected no lesser answer from you.

**TheDemonLord** · 10th November 2017, 09:47

Originally Posted by Katman

I expected no lesser answer from you.

likewise...

So when can I start sending you my Doctors Bills?

**neels** · 10th November 2017, 09:50

It's rather an odd situation all round, Australia sent them there, then shuts up shop and attempts to wash their hands of them.

Seems reasonable if they have been detained at a location not of their choice, that them who detained them are responsible for their welfare until they have somewhere acceptable to relocate to.

They could at least give them back the boat they arrived on, and let them make their own arrangements......

**Katman** · 10th November 2017, 09:50

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

likewise...

So when can I start sending you my Doctors Bills?

The difference being, I didn't install you in my garden.

(Besides, your mental health bills would bankrupt me).

**TheDemonLord** · 10th November 2017, 09:59

Originally Posted by Katman

The difference being, I didn't install you in my garden.

(Besides, your mental health bills would bankrupt me).

You see - that's the point.

If I tried to move into your house (and be like ZOMG! Best buddies and roomies!) - and you said "No" and put me in your Garden - who instigated the entire scenario? You for maintaining your property and individual sovreignty? Or Me for trying to illegally move into your house?

And then you get to the point that you are no more willing than the Australian Government to pay for someone elses Health and Wellbeing.

and FYI - my Weight-related bills would bankrupt you long before you had a chance to send me to a shrink (although I think you'd be quite disappointed at the results of a Mental check up)

**neels** · 10th November 2017, 10:06

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

If I were to come and start living in your Garden (without your consent or permission), then you moved house and told me that I had to go elsewhere, but I refused to leave - would you be responsible for my Health and Safety?

Not quite the right analogy...

More like you catch someone trying to climb over the fence into your back yard, so agree with your neighbor that you can park the person in their back yard and you'll look after them, then move away and make it the neighbors problem.

**Grumph** · 10th November 2017, 10:29

Originally Posted by neels

Not quite the right analogy...

More like you catch someone trying to climb over the fence into your back yard, so agree with your neighbor that you can park the person in their back yard and you'll look after them, then move away and make it the neighbors problem.

Still not quite right...you've paid your neighbour to look after them but he's spent the money on booze....

Apparently the Aussies have paid the PNG government millions - most of which has disappeared. Corrupt govt and the Aussies emulating Pontius Pilate in the handwashing stakes.

Not an easy fix at all.

**TheDemonLord** · 10th November 2017, 10:32

Originally Posted by neels

Not quite the right analogy...

More like you catch someone trying to climb over the fence into your back yard, so agree with your neighbor that you can park the person in their back yard and you'll look after them, then move away and make it the neighbors problem.

The bit that you have to convince me of - is that it was my problem in the first place - if that is the case, then they are responsible. If not, then they are not.

And from my understanding - Those on the Island were given the choice of:

Return to where you came.
Settle in PNG.
Settle somewhere else.

Yet, for some reason they aren't happy with that, they want to get to Australia, at which point - they aren't refugees, they are Economic Migrants.

**neels** · 10th November 2017, 10:53

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

The bit that you have to convince me of - is that it was my problem in the first place - if that is the case, then they are responsible. If not, then they are not.

Agreed, unfortunately they have made it their problem by creating the place and sending people there, rather than just not let them into Australia and leave them to their own devices.

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

And from my understanding - Those on the Island were given the choice of:

Return to where you came.
Settle in PNG.
Settle somewhere else.

Yep, so give them their boat back and they can go wherever they like, make it their problem again.

**Katman** · 15th November 2017, 20:25

Well I'm pleased to see that the New Zealand government is pledging 3 million dollars to support the plight of the refugees.

(And I'm mildly amused at the number of dumb fucks on here that seem more interested in wanking on about all their little guns).

**Graystone** · 15th November 2017, 20:37

Originally Posted by Katman

So is Australia right to ignore the plight of the Manus Island refugees or should action be taken to at least ensure their health and safety?

Legally, or morally? If you think morally, perhaps better question your own rights. Do you have more right to help directly, or to impose your morals on others to get them to help directly?