Manus Island

[Katman]

Would it make a difference if I had?

Dude, it wasn't a trick question.

I'm just wondering what first hand knowledge you have of the extent of Australia's underlying racism.

[Woodman]

Well there seems to be a concerted effort to make the thread all about me - but it's sure as fuck not coming from me.

My mistake......

[mashman]

My mistake......

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[Swoop]

It has not been proven that they tried to enter Australia illegally - refugees are not illegals .. They claimed Refugee status - Australia, against International Law, refused to even look at that request - and dumped them on Manus Island.

The results of the "refugee" detention centres located in Australia might have had something to do with this. Rioting and breaking out. Australia simply located these people remotely so that genuine cases could be processed further.
There is an accepted procedure to go through if a person wants to become an Australian citizen (apart from removal of the brain).

I mean, let's review, you start this thread and berate other for not believing as you do, yet believing as you does not provide them any more benefit than we do anyway, less in some cases. What's this all about, just an egotistical soap box bleat session?

No surprises there. Standard procedure.
You must think like SuckMyCockMan does or otherwise his pansy-arsed red-rep pencil will come out.

That's my point, you've done nothing to help them at all. Nor are you trying to, so what is this thread about?

Stroking his E-penis.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, it wasn't a trick question.

I'm just wondering what first hand knowledge you have of the extent of Australia's underlying racism.

It was, however, a trick answer:

Assume I haven't - you'd claim distinct knowledge of Australian Racism, in order to maintain your narrative
Assume I have - you'd claim that my experience isn't indicative of wider Australian culture, in order to maintain your narrative

The point however, was not whether or not there are Racists in Australia, the point was that people can have objections to Migrants, they can echo statements made by dyed-in-the-wool racists about Immigration, and still not be racist.

[Katman]

The point however, was not whether or not there are Racists in Australia, the point was that people can have objections to Migrants, they can echo statements made by dyed-in-the-wool racists about Immigration, and still not be racist.

Australia was built on racism.

Their treatment of their own Aboriginal people makes Pakeha and Maori look like veritable blood brothers in comparison.

[TheDemonLord]

Australia was built on racism.

Their treatment of their own Aboriginal people makes Pakeha and Maori look like veritable blood brothers in comparison.

If you are going to claim that, using that reasoning - then EVERY country was built on Racism.

[Katman]

If you are going to claim that, using that reasoning - then EVERY country was built on Racism.

Perhaps - but to greatly varying degrees.

However, it's Australia who has abandoned these refugees.

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps - but to greatly varying degrees.

And what happened in Australia, as despicable as it was, was par-for-the-course. Whether it be skirmishing tribes in the African plains, The Maori exterminating the Moriori or countries conquering an Empire.

The only varying degree is not the amount of Racism, but the amount of Mechanization.

However, it's Australia who has given these illegal Economic Migrants options, but they didn't like them, because they want to come to Australia as Economic Migrants.

Fixed for you.

[Katman]

Fixed for you.

Fuck off shitforbrains - it didn't need fixing.

Even the Australian government refers to them as refugees and asylum seekers.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck off shitforbrains - it didn't need fixing.

Even the Australian government refers to them as refugees and asylum seekers.

Then why did they leave a safe country that was free from war to get to Australia (Indonesia)?
Then why did they not accept the offer of being settled in PNG or an alternative safe country?

These are the actions of Economic Migrants and not genuine Asylum seekers/refugees.

Governments tend to be quite reluctant to call Economic Migrants as such in public.

[Katman]

Then why did they not accept the offer of being settled in PNG or an alternative safe country?

Possibly because they don't feel their safety could be ensured in PNG.

After all, one of the defining tenets of 'asylum' is the offer of protection and safety.

And which 'alternative safe country' were they offered resettlement in?

[TheDemonLord]

Possibly because they don't feel their safety could be ensured in PNG.

After all, one of the defining tenets of 'asylum' is the offer of protection and safety.

Well, PNG doesn't have any active conflicts, unless you are referring to the actions of some of the PNG locals around the camps.

Interesting how you don't call them Racist Xenophobes for what they've done...

And which 'alternative safe country' were they offered resettlement in?

I'm sure as the most well read and informed source on all of KB you would know....

(that's Sarcasm btw)

But since you asked a question - one option that was discussed was to go to the US (and I believe some did go), but the final deal was a safe third country that isn't Australia.

Which could be anywhere that will take them.

But of course, that wasn't good enough - they wanted to go to Australia...

[Katman]

Well, PNG doesn't have any active conflicts, unless you are referring to the actions of some of the PNG locals around the camps.

Interesting how you don't call them Racist Xenophobes for what they've done...



I'm sure as the most well read and informed source on all of KB you would know....

(that's Sarcasm btw)

But since you asked a question - one option that was discussed was to go to the US (and I believe some did go), but the final deal was a safe third country that isn't Australia.

Which could be anywhere that will take them.

But of course, that wasn't good enough - they wanted to go to Australia...

The American resettlement is still being negotiated.

Where was this other 'safe third country'?

[TheDemonLord]

The American resettlement is still being negotiated.

Where was this other 'safe third country'?

Look at a map - look at the things with names and borders around them - any of those, except the big one that says "AUSTRALIA" - that is where it is.