MotoGP 2018

[Autech]

From what I have seen Rossi has been complaining about lack of feel from the front end for a long time.
he has also complained of a lack of acceleration consistently. For the same period.

Got to wonder WTF has happened to them since JL left.
I've stopped reading any articles with Maverick in them about the bike as he is so up and down on what its doing and what he wants. One week its brilliant next week... Can't help wondering if hes doing the same for his team making them very confused as to where to direct their efforts?

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[husaberg]

Got to wonder WTF has happened to them since JL left.
I've stopped reading any articles with Maverick in them about the bike as he is so up and down on what its doing and what he wants. One week its brilliant next week... Can't help wondering if hes doing the same for his team making them very confused as to where to direct their efforts?

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Problem for the team is Maverick is getting more points and he is 16 years younger than Rossi.
He seem to lack the skills to asses what is the problem.
Yet Rossi knows how to develop a bike he has proven time and time again.
but his long time crew chief and go between to the factory and engineers for all of those years was Jerry Burgess and Jerrys gone.
Maybe that's the real problem Yamaha needs to address here.
AS for whats happened yo Yamaha since George left well I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.
The Honda is a rocketship and does everything well.

[carbonhed]

He'll be too fast to settle for 3rd so will bin it trying to be fast. Or some bullshit like he said at COTA

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Drugs may be the answer.

[carbonhed]

Problem for the team is Maverick is getting more points and he is 16 years younger than Rossi.
He seem to lack the skills to asses what is the problem.
Yet Rossi knows how to develop a bike he has proven time and time again.
but his long time crew chief and go between to the factory and engineers for all of those years was Jerry Burgess and Jerrys gone.
Maybe that's the real problem Yamaha needs to address here.
AS for whats happened yo Yamaha since George left well I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.
The Honda is a rocketship and does everything well.

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.

[BMWST?]

agree.I think that Rossi ISNT a great development rider.The yamaha had undergone a lot of revision BEFORE ross i left honda and went to yamaha.The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it.One thing is sure and that is Zarco seems to be able to get more out a a bike than rossi or vinales.Look no further than the latest qualifying session

[husaberg]

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.

Correct a couple of years of poor results and not winning makes for a hard working revitalised HRC effort.
No one could have made that Ducati work as evidenced by how long it took to get it to work afterwards, it was only developed around one guy. Ducati have a scattergun approach much like Cagiva of old.
Its without doubt true that without Burgess, Rossi isn't so good at the detailed methodical development it needs. Nor is he getting any younger or hungrier.
They need to do as Rossi asks or get someone in with Maverick to sort out what he needs or better both.

[Autech]

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.

Agree. The Honda is great if you know how to wrangle it. Its main disadvantage of exit drive has been cured so its the best bike on the grid, if you have factory support that is. Look how well Nakagami is doing compared to the other Honda rookies as he's rumoured to be getting extra support due to being Japanese.

I remeber when Rossi went to Ducati everyone was touting him as the best development rider, but the bike got no better from what I saw. That said I think Ducatis recent success has came in the form of a monobrowed Italian genius, if he was there during the Rossi years we may have been singing his praises.

Yamaha need to go back to basics I think. Start with what Zarco is riding and teach their riders to ride it like him/Lorenzo.

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[carbonhed]

Agree. The Honda is great if you know how to wrangle it. Its main disadvantage of exit drive has been cured so its the best bike on the grid, if you have factory support that is. Look how well Nakagami is doing compared to the other Honda rookies as he's rumoured to be getting extra support due to being Japanese.

I remeber when Rossi went to Ducati everyone was touting him as the best development rider, but the bike got no better from what I saw. That said I think Ducatis recent success has came in the form of a monobrowed Italian genius, if he was there during the Rossi years we may have been singing his praises.

Yamaha need to go back to basics I think. Start with what Zarco is riding and teach their riders to ride it like him/Lorenzo.

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The Italian monobrow certainly seems to know what it's doing. Great combination with Dovi. If he'd been there when Rossi arrived and they started winning races... it would have all been down to Rossi natch.

Morbidelli seems to be improving. Would be cool to get some of the rookies racing action.

What would you do in the Yamaha garage though? Presumably you need a senior rider to lead development? Vinales seems almost incoherent on what's going on.

[Dadpole]

I like the story of Lorenzo being the development rider/genius at Yamaha but when at Ducati he is a footnote and hinderance.
I see it taking time and a team working as a unit to produce a decent bike. Having a moving target (last year) with tyre construction changing can derail a season as we saw. And all the time the opposition is moving forward Ala Honda. Who would want to be a crew chief?

[husaberg]

I like the story of Lorenzo being the development rider/genius at Yamaha but when at Ducati he is a footnote and hinderance.
I see it taking time and a team working as a unit to produce a decent bike. Having a moving target (last year) with tyre construction changing can derail a season as we saw. And all the time the opposition is moving forward Ala Honda. Who would want to be a crew chief?

What people forget is that Prior to Rossi joining Ducati with Stoner only finished 4th that year stoner had also retired in a number of races, also engine mileage was set to 2 MGPS and spare bike allowance was reduced to one. they were already on a downhill slope.
Reliability was never Ducatis strong point nor was tuning well 250 style due to it inherent engine layout, which is what Lorenzo needs as did Rossi. Until ducati abandon the 90 degree v it will remain that way (that like abandoning Desmo it will never happen)
2010 was also the year they introduced the single tyre rule. Rossi was previously predominately a Michelin rider.

[Mental Trousers]

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Well that's disappointing. All of 2 responses and neither were pissed off. The life really has gone out of this place

[pritch]

I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.

There were two major changes that affected Yamaha: tyres and electrics. Yamaha didn't adapt their chassis to the new tryes as quickly as the others. Maybe they still haven't? When the change came to the standard electrics, Honda and Ducati poached all the good Magneti Marelli techs and Yamaha missed the bus. Yamaha had to learn everything from scratch.

In that Burgess interview I referred to, he describes how when Rossi arrived at Yamaha from Honda, the existing Yamaha mechanics firmly believed that the Yamaha could not beat the Honda. Rossi arrived with his own team of mechanics who had no negative mental baggage. Burgess wondered if that perhaps that negative attitude has crept back into the Yamaha camp.

[Autech]

Money investment asside if you look at the two winningest (new word time) bikes last year and their structure, they both have 3 factory bikes on grid with the 3rd bike being occupied by a talented rider not afraid to do the donky work testing.
3 factory bikes. 3 datas to look at and assess how to fix a problem during a weekend.
For example if Dovi didn't have Petruxs data to look at as well as JLs he may have stuck with the non aero fairing this weekend.

That is why they are going backwards I think. Rossi says its white, MV says its black and the bike remains fucked.
They had an opportunity this year to give Zarco the same shit as the other boys but chose not to. Tin hat nutters say Rossi blocked it but who cares why, they just messed up their best way to advance the bike IMO, that and they lost Herve who has been with them a very long time and runs a great team.

This is their way forward IMO. And if they could wave a magic wand n put any rider on the grid on the 3rd bike I would choose Aleix Asparagus for the job. Shame they signed Mav already for a few years as poaching him would have been very clever.

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[pritch]

agree.I think that Rossi ISNT a great development rider.The yamaha had undergone a lot of revision BEFORE ross i left honda and went to yamaha.The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it.

People keep coming up with that stuff about the Yamaha. I thought we were over that.

Burgess and Rossi met with the Yamaha engineers and changed bloody near everything that could be changed. Four valve heads instead of five. Big bang engine. Engine running backwards. Then, after testing, Burgess requested that the engine be raised an inch in the frame.

Gigi D described the problem at Ducati when he went there. The engineers would not listen, they regarded negative comments about "their" bike as insults and they tended to ignore the team mechanics. Gigi told the engineers at the factory that the guys in the racing team drive the effort, if the engineers felt they couldn't take direction from the team mechanics they should get another job.

Rossi's ability as a development rider has taken a hit, but we should at least be judging on the facts not on total fabrications.

[Dadpole]

Meanwhile, back in the jungle, has Lorenzo got his Mojo back? He qualified well but I fear the race will see him farting around in the back half of the field - again.

Will we see him on a Suzuki next year? I hope so.....