Cassina - advice

[eldog]

So HDC offers a simple "rule of thumb" on lane positioning:

"Generally speaking the right hand wheel track is a good place to ride -
especially approaching a blind left because you get better vision.

But the left hand wheel track is better on a blind right because some
fucktard might be half in your lane or come into your lane on their exit".


And then you immediately come along and improve (?) upon it with:


"My take on the best place to ride is anywhere where you don't cross the
centre line or run off the side of the road ..... "


And then you wonder why people get a little peeved with you.

C must be getting help from K

Yep, so often I come upon road user half or completely on my side of the road
and the OMG look as they realise there is someone coming the other way is priceless
Franklin district is well known for accidents just like that.

[eldog]

Bloody oath!
Quite a feat just trying to remember which bike is mine at the pub car park after a group ride.....

generally start with the fastest looking one....if it will start....

if it doesn't start yell out "Whose bike is this blocking me in? Can ya throw me ya keys and I will move it for you!" generally works
at least till next weeks ride.....

[Graystone]

But you cheat. You ride around the corner with your foot on the ground. Come to think of it, one of the YouTube videos Dr John Hinds did talks about that. People who put a foot down tend to risk a separated pelvis. And that sounds painful.

Here is the late Dr Hinds in one of the said videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg

A cunt that big surely requires a separated pelvis anyway

KB lynch mobs make me fucking puke.

Trolls, conspiracy theorists, and attention whores are fair game; just relax.

[nzspokes]

Says he wid 2 dirt bikes, you will grow to appreciate visiting the scenery in a controlled and stylish manner..

Well yes but thats to be expected.

[buggerit]

The Japanese did some research a year or two back that suggested riding a motorcycle is good mental exercise as we age. The myriad of little calculations required to ride a bike keep the brain in shape. (I'm certain that's not the language they used but you get the picture.)

Of course the statistics could have been skewed by the less mentally agile not surviving to old age?

I'm going to hit the Doc up for a script next time I'm in for the

[Cloggy]

Time to stoke the fire a little. I enjoy reading these discussions.

Rider training does not improve the crash rate of motorcycle riders in the case of this Californian study of 351 motorcycle accidents.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...103117-%7Ctpfn

Cassina, over to you....
PS, There is an interesting statistic regarding "self taught" rider training.

[AllanB]

Shit happens.

I was following a random guy last weekend who was sitting at a responsible pace, taking care etc for some time, then out of the blue, totally against the 10 kms or so prior, nailed it and passed a car in a too short space with a blind corner ahead.

Shit happens.

[george formby]

I'm going to hit the Doc up for a script next time I'm in for the

Eye test? Quite painless.

[caspernz]

Time to stoke the fire a little. I enjoy reading these discussions.

Rider training does not improve the crash rate of motorcycle riders in the case of this Californian study of 351 motorcycle accidents.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...103117-%7Ctpfn

Cassina, over to you....
PS, There is an interesting statistic regarding "self taught" rider training.

There's another angle to the advanced training. The riders who partake in advanced rider training can be roughly divided into 2 groups, those who want to be safer, and those who want to be faster.

Now I can't find the article which has all the relevant guff in it, but the broad outline was that the riders who wanted to be safer, improved their life expectancy somewhat. Those who wanted to be faster ended up crashing at higher speeds, with obvious results.

Naive as my outlook may be, until I read the article I hadn't even considered advanced rider training with the outlook on purely becoming faster...

[HenryDorsetCase]

There's another angle to the advanced training. The riders who partake in advanced rider training can be roughly divided into 2 groups, those who want to be safer, and those who want to be faster.

Now I can't find the article which has all the relevant guff in it, but the broad outline was that the riders who wanted to be safer, improved their life expectancy somewhat. Those who wanted to be faster ended up crashing at higher speeds, with obvious results.

Naive as my outlook may be, until I read the article I hadn't even considered advanced rider training with the outlook on purely becoming faster...

There's more than one type of rider training though. I've done ones that are purely focussed on the go faster part - thinking here of the have a go days at Ruapuna. You can avail yourself of the opportunity to learn and do. Or California Superbike School. But its focus is track riding.

Then there are the advanced road training ones - which I have also done: Pro Rider and the Ride Forever stuff and IAM (though I dont know anything about that - something something hi vis?) and which focus on improving road craft and technique and stuff.

horses for courses innit. But I can see that confusing the two might be an issue.

[caspernz]

There's more than one type of rider training though. I've done ones that are purely focussed on the go faster part - thinking here of the have a go days at Ruapuna. You can avail yourself of the opportunity to learn and do. Or California Superbike School. But its focus is track riding.

Then there are the advanced road training ones - which I have also done: Pro Rider and the Ride Forever stuff and IAM (though I dont know anything about that - something something hi vis?) and which focus on improving road craft and technique and stuff.

horses for courses innit. But I can see that confusing the two might be an issue.

Of course there's several approaches to advancing ones' skill level. Track based stuff can indeed be seen as purely go faster or improved machine control skills. As would be CSS.

The road based training sponsored by ACC in the Rideforever series, with Prorider being but one of the providers of this, all uses Roadcraft. This being what us IAM chaps use to improve a road riders' skills. IAM calls it advanced riding and whilst going fast isn't the focus, the techniques taught can make a rider faster even though the focus is on improving overall safety. If you've done a Gold course and want to improve from that point on, come to IAM to achieve the next level of finesse, and yes there's a fair bit to work on still after a Gold course.

Was having a conversation some time ago with a relative back home in Europe, the topic of advanced riding came up, and this led to me remembering the article I'd read about advanced riding having two distinctly grouped outcomes. Some got safer overall, the other group merely crashed at a higher speed. Discipline to ride to the conditions was obviously lacking in the latter group.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Some years back someone on here when the discussion was about motorcycle ACC premiums and how it would be a good idea if they could be reduced for riding school graduates said that ACC do not want to do that because riding schools make riders "overconfident". If that is the case then why are riding schools being part funded by ACC?

Logical fallacy. Correlation does not equate to causation. Thanks for your input though.

[Akzle]

Some years back someone said that ACC do not want to do that because riding schools make riders "overconfident".

b) prove it; and
a) you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

Logical

bro... it's c*ssina, don't get your hopes up

fallacy
.

that's far more applicable.

[Swoop]

Really steve, really... Whatever - yoive turned onto a roght cunt lately eh.

What do you mean by "lately"?

Jesus fucking Christ, are you autistic too?

Are you inviting others to your personal "Autistism sufferers" meeting?
Your condition potentially needs higher doses of sedatives. Some pharmaceutical companies may be involved, so are you able to handle "big pharma"?