*..As our bike pulls away from the kerb...and the cause sinks slowly in the West................"
Shit, this thread's like a verbal equivalent of the gunfight at the OK Corral !!
Forum whore
*..As our bike pulls away from the kerb...and the cause sinks slowly in the West................"
Shit, this thread's like a verbal equivalent of the gunfight at the OK Corral !!
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Hardcore Biker
Hey Spook,Originally Posted by Spook
I've followed this thread right through, and I'm sorry your original post has been chewed up and misconstrued. Don't let the cynics and loners (who are not "joining up" types anyway) get you down.
Here in NZ, every five weeks, a child dies from abuse of one kind or another.
This disgraceful statistic is shocking beyond belief to someone of my vintage and experience in life.
For God's sake, what has gone wrong? When my babies were born, I believed that bringing up the kids properly was a sacred duty laid on the man and woman who brought them into the world. Doesn't that sound quaint when you put it out there today ?? hahaha...
Our parenting skills, knowledge of child development, ideas of what marriage or partnership involve, our attitudes to authority, and tolerance of violence........ all skewed.
Some people cannot differentiate between respect and fear.
I have given countless hours of volunteer time to all sorts of community organisations, including being area rep for a women's motorcycling club. We support the Women's Refuge with a charity run in July every year.
I would support an organisation like yours in NZ, and go on the rides and to the events, I just don't want to get involved in committees and so on anymore. Done my dash.
But we have an urgent need in NZ for anything and everything that might raise the issues, improve awareness, generate some cash and even make a difference. Good on you all....
BTW, someone was asking if there are men's refuges in NZ ? There are refuges for men, (safe houses) increasingly so as gay marriages between men occur. Access to them is fairly guarded - lawyers can put men in touch with them if needed, and the Women's Refuge may know of a contact.
Ciao Spook,
and here's "strength to yer arm" for the fight ahead !
Everything is always okay in the end.
If it's not, then it's not The End.
L-Plate Rider
You know child abuse is an issue that cannot be put in the closet, but many here seem to be more interested in slagging the idea rather than saying anything constructive. if you think BUACA NZ is a bad idea then go away and play with your blocks elsewhere but ask sensible questions please.
Do Outlaw Clubs deal in drugs? the "LEGAL" answer is NO, that is why they are NOT classified as criminal organisations. Are there members of these Clubs that conduct illegal activities such as manufacture and sale of drugs YES Are there members of the Police Force, Fire Brigade, Ambos, Doctors Nurses, Lawyers, Judges, Priests and teachers who conduct themselves in a criminal fashion in exactly the same way the answer again is YES.
Can "Patch wearers" be members of BUACA? NO and that includes any kind of Back Patch such as the Vietnam Veterans MC and Clubs of that ilk.
Who does the security vetting for BUACA? The Australian Federal Police.
Do we have members who are serving and ex-serving members of the Police force? YES
We do not hunt people down!
WE ARE NOT VIGILANTES
I hear many of you say "Lets see what happens" "Lets see if they are for real" one of you even made a comment regarding members stealing Club funds for their own gain to you people I can only say I feel sorry for you.
BUACA is an organisation to empower children after the abuse has been reported so of course we are re-active. What we can and have already achieved however is ensuring that those children that come to our attention are made aware that people do care about them and are prepared to give up their own time to make them feel wanted and safe.
I don't care if you small minded people rag on the idea you are of no consequence and are the same type of people who sit back and say hey if it dosn't affect me them I'm alright Jack.
So for those of you who actually want to make a difference NO MATTER HOW SMALL I commend you, for those of you who just moan on and on I PITY YOU.
Oh and as for why have a CC limit, thats to ensure that all members whether they be Black, White, Male, Female or in your case "BLUNINJA" Gay can ride together as a Club should. I do not wish to ride with someone who rides at the speed of sound nor do I wish to ride with mopeds. All Clubs must have Rules and that is just one of them and believe me there are many. We are Bikers first hence the "B" in the front of BUACA and by Bikers I do not mean Harley riding evil-doers but Bikers on Hondas, Harleys and Yammies in fact ANY bike over 750cc.
Those of you who are actually serious drop us a line a buaca2003@yahoo.com.au now please do not bother to send abusive emails as they will get laughed at and binned.
One last thing the fist represents breaking down the barriers and walls put up by individuals with questionable agendas such as some of the posters in this thread.
Ride safe and free and do as you please but don't knock an idea just because you think........no scratch that!! just because you DON'T think.
Gutter
Co-Founder
BUACA Australia
Support your local BUACA
Forum whore
Yeah - Ive seen what happens to Kids brought up in that sort of environment - not good!
There's also more than just physical abuse - theres mental and situational abuse which is as destructive as straight physical abuse - although the two often go hand in hand!
The BUACA message is good, but we seem to be in "shoot the messenger mode" here!
Interesting.......
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
Mobile Oil Stain
Gutter,you have addressed the 1% back patch wearing question,and that is all I was worried about.
Thanks.
Tight buns
errr..... there's people over in NZ trying to do the same...thanks for your response...a breath of fresh air in this threadYes thanks it did!!
I'll plead guilty to reacting to your generalisational and preachy statements, thats the problem with bb's you can never cover all your points without writing a small book! My comments weren't aimed at you personally(at least that wasn't the intention) My rant was fuelled as much by dozey bleeders in UK who are talking about making it illegal to smack your kid full stop which is just toooo much interference and then I read your post..........u know the rest
Legalise anarchy
e mare libertas
Gutter, ta, I appreciate the response. I for one am not *against* the BUACA (/NZ) idea. I just have reservations about its effectiveness.
As far as I'm concerned, more power to anyone who wants to do anything about the problem, and I'd certainly support any useful effort against child abuse.
What it comes down to, though, is... if you pop up on a forum, advertise something, then respond to genuine questions and concerns with insults as Spook did, you're liable to get yo ass flamed and lose all credibility.
un sogno
Gutter,
Your response has probably cleared up a lot of the information about BUACA in people's minds. Thank you. I would suggest in the future you ask Spook and BaldyPete to try and respond in a more friendly nature when trying to promote your cause. The way in which those two responded just got people's backs up and raised doubt into the way your group conducts itself.
Good luck with the club and your work on Oz.
Matt Thompson
Tight buns
Thanks for your response Gutter...answered several of my questions. Just as a matter of record I'm not gay...that was a slur by Spook (I guess it was a slur) merely because I questioned (based on Baldy Pete's response regarding real men) whether the club was excluding anyone not male and heterosexual. Thanks for clearing that matter.
I still wouldn't actively support your group, I think there are better ways, and I put my effort in there. Still given your spokespersons generally dismissive attitude to anybody that doesn't belive as you do I don't think it will give you pause for thought....strike that ....pause for non thought.
Legalise anarchy
Forum whore
Fsssssssssst (the sound of the flames going out)
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
L-Plate Rider
I am glad that I have been able to deal with some of the many issues raised here regarding BUACA. This topic is, as you can understand extremely emotive and therefore people tend to get fired up when they believe someone has questioned their motives.
BUACA has received enormous support from BACA in the States and I hope given time that BUACA can grow and become a legitimate and well respected club both within the Biker community and the larger community in general.
One of the posts here made a comment regarding the use of the fist and the fact that Black Power already uses a fist in their Patch and this could cause a problem to that i say you wont know until you try, try asking them I think you may be surprised as I am sure that they have kids too. And if they say you cannot wear the fist then don't use it, it's that simple.
Nobody is asking anyone in NZ to become member's of BUACA because quite frankly it's not that simple I believe that Spook came to your site to voice an idea, the same idea that I myself voiced on a similar Aus forum in November last year and that idea met with strong support right across the broad spectrum of the Biker community here in Aus and I guess he thought that same support would be shown for a NZ Club in the same vain and he was dissapointed to see so many nay-sayers.
I hope that given time some members of this forum will see merit in a Club who's main aim is the establishment of a support base for kids, lets face when kids see people on bikes what do they do? well usually they smile then they wave and they only stop smiling and waving because mum or dad tells them to stop waving to the filthy bikies. ya see kids like bikes and they the people who ride them, why? I dunno maybe kids see us as modern day cowboys or something so if I can use that image to help someone who otherwise feels alone and helpless then that is what i will do.
I am a Biker not a commuter who bought his/her bike cos its cheap to run or I can get to work quicker and get free parking "although that's nice" I am a Biker because I love bikes and I generally find Bikers to be more honest and giving than the average joe thats why we have Toy Runs and Blanket Runs and runs to support the Red Cross and many others so i guess its now up to you guys.
Ride Safe and keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down
Regards and respect
Gutter
Co-Founder
BUACA
Australia
Support your local BUACA
Whorem Fore
Obviously this 'Group' prides itself on conviction and lacks a lot on delivery.
It sounds a little like a lynching party to me...yes siree, hang em high....
Yet when asked the hard question you seem to come out with ummms, ahhhss and ohhhhhhhhhsss.....and personal attacks.....this doesn't come across as a particularly well thought out group in its direction, framework, communication or personality.....
You have done very little to inspire people to support let alone join your cause...and in my mind, if this is the mentality of the members, you have done more to harm it.
Child Abuse is a very very very sensitive subject, not unlike Spousal Abuse...yet you seem to be approaching it will a sledgehammer like mentality......hardly actions befitting the cause.
I would recommend the following:
This would be time well invested rather than the misguided and worthless slanging match you are entering in to here.
- Sit down and map out your direction thoroughly - you mission, your goals and your objectives (business planning stuff)
- Organise your thoughts and agree to a common and agree communiction plan
- Invest in a properly constructed and designed web page (not the one that looks like my nephew made on Frontpage)
- Develop an Objections strategy to CONVINCE people why it is a good cause (not batter them if they don't believe/agree)
- Determine what other bodies already exist in the country and work in UNISON with them
- Ensure at all times you aren't acting in contravention to your goals/intentions (which you are now)
L-Plate Rider
Dont matter how much you dont agree with what we are doing we are going to do it no matter what and if you disagree then so be it.....I dont want to fight with you Wkid 1 coz Y'now its stupid to blue via the internet and Im sure as hell wont stoop as low as belittle your attempted sabotaging of Spooks original post....Since you guys have brought the Mungel mob and black power into this trashing of the BUACA I will endouver to contact them to allow them to respond to some of your criticism of their bad behaviour and their fist being used for our patch, Then maybe you can also attack everyone in this world that uses a fist in their club....you have picked our posts to bits like the vulture has picked the brains of the lamb and surely you go you sleep at night wondering how many good people you have pissed off today...Your advice suks and your respect for your fellow bikers is absolute zilch....
Respectfully I ask all bikers to disregard my anger and stay tuned to see how we progress from a bunch of Fathers and Mothers who care about the forgotten children of abuse and see what we can do as bikers who care............Wkid 1 are you related to The Ranns..........?????
e mare libertas
Gawd, BP, you just don't get it, do you? wkid was remarkably restrained and polite in the post you're responding to, and his points were well-founded. His advice certainly didn't suk (sic).
Gutter managed to respond in a way that didn't get anybody's hackles up; if you want membership for your organisation, how about presenting yourself in a manner that doesn't make you sound like a halfwitted redneck? Note that I'm not stating that you *are* one; I've never met you. My point is that you don't make a good impression with your childish posts.
Forum whore
WHOOOMPH - who poured the petrol on??
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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