BUACA: Bikers United Against Child Abuse - Australia

[Big Dog]

While this is a good initiative and child abuse is a heinous crime, effective action comes down to individual responsibility and a belief in creating communities that care for themselves and for each other. You can't solve child abuse by buying a T-shirt, just like you can't solve world hunger by dialling an 0900 number, going to a "Live Aid" concert or giving $1 a day to some worthy cause. Taking responsibility means taking action and getting involved -- personally. You.


If riding around with a badge on makes you feel good, then do it by all means. But remember you are relying on somebody else to do the doing for you -- The "Hire a Hubby" (rent a conscience) approach to community service.

[Dismounts hobby horse]

Well said young man. But community spirit/ direct support etc do require funding and profile.

[Spook]

While this is a good initiative and child abuse is a heinous crime, effective action comes down to individual responsibility and a belief in creating communities that care for themselves and for each other. You can't solve child abuse by buying a T-shirt, just like you can't solve world hunger by dialling an 0900 number, going to a "Live Aid" concert or giving $1 a day to some worthy cause. Taking responsibility means taking action and getting involved -- personally. You.

If riding around with a badge on makes you feel good, then do it by all means. But remember you are relying on somebody else to do the doing for you -- The "Hire a Hubby" (rent a conscience) approach to community service.

[Dismounts hobby horse]

Hitcher, while I support your right to your opinion, you seem to overlook that work that is being done while riding around with my Patch on feeling good. FUNDS, money, donations, sponsorship, cuppled with communities being encouraged to come out behind closed doors to the organisations we Support.
Dont know about you but I reckon what Ill be doing is feeling REALLY REALLY good about it all. And buying a Supporter patch or a Tshirt is funds, and funds are what the Government aren't giving enough to for the front line organisations that need it to operate effectively.
And yes I'll rely on a lot of people, my Brothers in BUACA, and I feel Support will be overwhelming, I dont think Ill be sitting on my ass somewhere thinking about it, but out there and doing it, while feeling good. Big Events, Poker Runs, Concerts with bands dont just happen, after 25years working in RockNRoll, I have a myriad of talent that want to play to BUACA supporters and everyone at large concerts. The idea is to Raise money and awareness for frontline organisations! You cant tell me that a Social Worker who happens to be a BUACANZ Member isnt direct support??

But Hitcher, you'd support the BUACANZ when it forms over there ...right?

[Big Dog]

[Dismounts hobby horse]

Hobby horse of mine too my freind. I don't have a lot of money so I only donate to really worthy causes not to send epsom girls pony club to the ukraine. My time is more valuable and productive. Being as you want to do something proactive (not just send a cheque) can I count on your help?

[Gutter]

hey all

Just a quick note to say g'day for Aus and if support there is anything like here then BUACA will do well in NZ.

BUACA is there to help when it can, it is NOT the cure but in certain instances it can stop the disease.

It is the responsibility of evryone to protect our Children and it doesn't matter if that child is black, white, yellow, red or rainbow at the end of the day a kids a kid.

Good luck and I hope that those of you who wish to go the BUACA NZ road all the best. Drop me a line if you want to talk at length about BUACA at buaca2003@yahoo.com.au

Cheers
Gutter
BUACA
FERAL Chapter
Australia
Co-founder

[Nouseforaname]

"Coral Burrows' killer has been sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum non parole period of 15 years.

The six-year-old's stepfather, Steven Williams, has been sentenced today in the High Court at Wellington.

His early guilty plea - within 10 days of the murder - has been taken into account. "


Well whoop de f$%kin doo.... a whole non parole of 15 years... thats sick, he confessed, he admitted he was wrong, so why cant we just kill him? i mean it would be cheaper than paying for him to stay in prison....... but hey, i better shut - up before i start a whole death penelty debate

Spook - great idea, who cares what arguments people put before you, you have got ya heart in the right place and you get my vote! Good Luck to you!

[Jackrat]

I will be happy to support an NZ version of BUACA.

[Hitcher]

But Hitcher, you'd support the BUACANZ when it forms over there ...right?

I'd have a good look at its objectives and work programme first. I'm an outcomes kinda guy!

[Spook]

I'd have a good look at its objectives and work programme first. I'm an outcomes kinda guy!

And so you should be Hitcher....there's a temp website address (on my profile) setup till we settle a dot com, links to the temp national Site..feel free to peruse... any further questions you can email us.
Remembering,... if you get involved in the BUACANZ as a Member you get a say in how the club is run, your Constitution has to be drawn up and voted on and agreed on,, your ByLaws etc....and balanced against your state and Fed laws how the club runs itself. You see, in the good Ol USA, BACA Members can attend court in their cases involving Abused Kids, In Australia we can't....etc...see, lots ta think about, and if yure as switched on as I think you are, you'd be an asset to the formation of the BUACANZ.
Not withstanding, having your members undergo a Police check, we all gotta do,...not worried about petty stuff, but charges involving kiddies puts you outa the running to be involved....

...and it will be thankless work.........but we don't mind

All the best
Spook

[Ms Piggy]

I will be happy to support an NZ version of BUACA.

Me too

[mangell6]

Child abuse is an emotive subject like any abuse wether it be physical or emotional, the accused is always guilty until proven innocent. I am not saying that what is being proposed is right or wrong, I like Hitcher will need to review the basis that the organisation is set up and who/how it is run.
I have seen to many 'good idea' organisations get taken over by the extremists and destroyed.

Mike

[James Deuce]

Child abuse is an emotive subject like any abuse wether it be physical or emotional, the accused is always guilty until proven innocent. I am not saying that what is being proposed is right or wrong, I like Hitcher will need to review the basis that the organisation is set up and who/how it is run.
I have seen to many 'good idea' organisations get taken over by the extremists and destroyed.

Mike

Hear Hear.

[Draco]

If this is indeed a reputable organisation that is well run and achieves its objectives (ie raising public awareness and raising funds for worthwhile organisations) then i'm definately interested. Hitcher i understand why your sceptical (life has a habit of making cynics out of us) this could be a crock and a bunch of vigilanties OR it could be worthwhile. I have served the Order of St John for 12 years, most of it as a volunteer, and the word "volunteer" seems to somehow make people assume your a bunch of do-gooders who want to "wear a patch and feel good about themselves". But let me assure you that i know the Order does so much for OUR community, some of it known and recognised and some of it not. And I will be proud for the rest of my life at my involvement and I KNOW i've made a difference in many peoples lives, the wonderful cards ive received and just the look on peoples faces tells me so. So if this BUACA is legit, I think it's worth supporting (in our own country) despite any bagging it may get.

[Hitcher]

If this is indeed a reputable organisation that is well run and achieves its objectives (ie raising public awareness and raising funds for worthwhile organisations) then i'm definately interested. Hitcher i understand why your sceptical (life has a habit of making cynics out of us) this could be a crock and a bunch of vigilanties OR it could be worthwhile. I have served the Order of St John for 12 years, most of it as a volunteer, and the word "volunteer" seems to somehow make people assume your a bunch of do-gooders who want to "wear a patch and feel good about themselves". But let me assure you that i know the Order does so much for OUR community, some of it known and recognised and some of it not. And I will be proud for the rest of my life at my involvement and I KNOW i've made a difference in many peoples lives, the wonderful cards ive received and just the look on peoples faces tells me so. So if this BUACA is legit, I think it's worth supporting (in our own country) despite any bagging it may get.

Mate, I hope you haven't misunderstood what I was saying. People who put their bodies on the line for what they believe in -- St John zambucks included -- get the Big Tick from me. My point was more aimed at the people who think that making a $5 donation is all that it takes. I wasn't endeavouring to bag worthy causes or those who give up large chunks of their lives to advance these. I was having a go more at consumerism and where it it taking us all...

[Firefight]

I have served the Order of St John for 12 years, most of it as a volunteer, and the word "volunteer" seems to somehow make people assume your a bunch of do-gooders who want to "wear a patch and feel good about themselves". But let me assure you that i know the Order does so much for OUR community, some of it known and recognised and some of it not. And I will be proud for the rest of my life at my involvement and I KNOW i've made a difference in many peoples lives, the wonderful cards ive received and just the look on peoples faces tells me so.

From Firefight:: , oh yep there it is.
I can't find the "off topic'' smiley, I am going to hyjack this thread, to take the opportunity to Commend you and the thousands of others like you Draco, who serve NZ as Volly fire/ambulance officers, It does not matter to the person whos hurt or house is on fire, if the person coming to help them is paid or doing it for free.All they want is someone to come.

You have every reason to Feel Proud of the work that you did for those 12 years,I remember when I became a professional fire fighter (paid) many years ago thinking how lucky I was to be able to have an exciting job, help people, and get paid, then as the years go bye you learn that NZ does not have the infrstructure to pay for that service for every area.

If it was not for the commitment and dedication of people like your self, who freely give of their time, and in the case of self employed people money lost by attending calls, NZ would not have the standard of emergancy medical care and Urgent fire related services that we have.

Well Done.

Firefight

[Indiana_Jones]

good on ya, but your not one of those people against spanking now are you?
As spanking is ok, not abuse though

-Indy