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    Chain stretch service limit DID 530VX

    I've checked the chain on my gsx750f against the service limit and it's bang on the limit.

    The guy I bought the bike from (he's a mate and I trust him) said the previous owner had replaced the chain not many kms ago. He even found the receipt for the chain.

    Is it possible there may be some slight difference in the link length and/or service limit between factory and the did 530vx?

    If not what's another good way of checking the chain?

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    Ps I took the measurement with the chain stretched out via the chain adjusters

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    Another method of checking for chain stretch is to grasp the chain at the rear sprocket, in the 3 o'clock position or rear, and see if you can lift the chain away from the sprocket by any significant margin.

    Pic shows the method:

    https://goo.gl/images/dCL47C
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbfb View Post
    Is it possible there may be some slight difference in the link length and/or service limit between factory and the did 530vx?
    No, all 5 series chains are 5/8 inch (15.875mm) between pins.

    I'd be vary wary if chain is at the limit. Out of the last 4 I replaced, only 1 had reached the limit and that was absolutely fucked. Some develop tight spots, loose spots, all together, or you could have just 1 really worn link? Either way, fucked is fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Another method of checking for chain stretch is to grasp the chain at the rear sprocket, in the 3 o'clock position or rear, and see if you can lift the chain away from the sprocket by any significant margin.

    Pic shows the method:

    https://goo.gl/images/dCL47C
    ek se?

    that wont indicate elongation..

    take the fucker ff, put it on the bench, measure over 10 links, compare to spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Another method of checking for chain stretch is to grasp the chain at the rear sprocket, in the 3 o'clock position or rear, and see if you can lift the chain away from the sprocket by any significant margin.
    Pic shows the method:
    https://goo.gl/images/dCL47C
    Thanks, I'll use that as a rough check when I'm giving the bike a look-over before a ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    No, all 5 series chains are 5/8 inch (15.875mm) between pins.

    I'd be vary wary if chain is at the limit. Out of the last 4 I replaced, only 1 had reached the limit and that was absolutely fucked. Some develop tight spots, loose spots, all together, or you could have just 1 really worn link? Either way, fucked is fucked.
    That's interesting, the manual states 319.4mm max length over 21 pins, which works out at 15.209 pin-to-pin. So the manual is obviously a lot tighter tolerance than the figure you quoted. I've had a google and the pitch figure you gave seems to be correct. So I guess the manual was wrong, their max stretch is less than the pitch of a new 530 chain! This website gives a max stretch of 16.031mm pin-to-pin. Sound right?

    I know it's the correct chain because I got a quote for a replacement from a different shop and he gave me the exact same one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    take the fucker ff, put it on the bench, measure over 10 links, compare to spec.
    Yeah I'll take it off to give it a clean at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    ek se?

    that wont indicate elongation..

    take the fucker ff, put it on the bench, measure over 10 links, compare to spec.
    C'mon chap, the method I outlined is a rough indicator, has worked for decades...
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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    C'mon chap, the method I outlined is a rough indicator, has worked for decades...
    I did ask for another good way to check the chain so I thought this was fair enough. Definitely a good pre-ride check, means I'll keep an eye on it as I'd only get the tape measure out every once in a while.

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    As a general rule of thumb I have always used up to 1 1/4 pitches of chain total length movement as the limit before replacing on the average length rear chain. 15.875 x 1.25 = 19.84 mm so if it's stretched more than 20mm, bin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbfb View Post
    That's interesting, the manual states 319.4mm max length over 21 pins, which works out at 15.209 pin-to-pin. So the manual is obviously a lot tighter tolerance than the figure you quoted.
    No you're just adding it wrong. 21 pins is 20 links, so multiply 15.875mm x 20 = 317.5mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Another method of checking for chain stretch is to grasp the chain at the rear sprocket, in the 3 o'clock position or rear, and see if you can lift the chain away from the sprocket by any significant margin.

    Pic shows the method:

    https://goo.gl/images/dCL47C
    +1

    Any more lift off the sprocket than 1/3 she's fucked and I don't care for spec measurements as there's too many variables in usage out in the real world so if more than half of the allowable adjustment is used on the adjusters toss the chain too.
    Sprocket sizes effect chain wear a lot too, the smaller the drive sprocket the harder life the chain is going to get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    No you're just adding it wrong. 21 pins is 20 links, so multiply 15.875mm x 20 = 317.5mm.
    I've attached the sections from the manual. It says the max wear limit is 319.4mm along a 21-pin length as shown in their diagram. My chain is bang on their stated wear limit. Bearing in mind they count the first pin, 319.4mm / 20 pins = 15.97mm. So my 15.209mm was wrong as you said.

    We've established that the 530 chains are 15.875mm as standard, so do you think the 15.97mm max wear limit is correct?

    I've already posted a link that suggested 16.031mm. This website suggests 1% for 'performance' use, i.e. 15.875 x 1.01 = 16.034mm.

    Taking an average of 16.033, that works out at 16.033 x 20 pins = 320.66mm.

    So as new length is 317.5mm, my chain is now 319.4mm and the limit is 320.7mm.

    I think from this I will leave the chain and check it again in a month or so. I need a new front tyre so would rather throw my limited cash at that.
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    ...it's either loose or it's not...get a new one and feel good that you have one less thing in life to worry about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellipsis View Post
    ...it's either loose or it's not...get a new one and feel good that you have one less thing in life to worry about...
    This thread's got nothing to do with it being loose, we're talking about wear. Specifically that the manual contradicts other sources.

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    ...chain stretch equates to a loose chain...as does wear...no?...

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