It's all about the tourists, but not the foreign ones.

[Viking01]

So how many deaths and serious injuries occur each year because a car has aged only tires? No such crashes have made the news media that I have heard of? With the law of probability you are far more likely to get run over by a bus than get hit by a car with aged tires. Maybe you would like all the parking wardens to give tickets for tires over 6 years old as well as for expired reg and WOF. I am sure the councils would love the increased revenue generated by your suggestion.

I continue to shake my head in wonder.

The point made by earlier posters was that while it was not currently
illegal to drive on "old tyres", it was simply considered to be unwise.
Due to a natural progressive degradation in rubber condition.

Resulting in a possible drop-off in either steering control or stopping
capability.

And that sensible people (interested in their own safety) or companies
(interested in staff safety and avoiding financial penalty) generally
choose to be pro-active.


1. "So how many deaths and serious injuries occur each year because a
car has aged only tires? No such crashes have made the news media that
I have heard of?"

Tyres, not tires. Tired is what we get.

Given that the vast majority of vehicle tyres will get consumed by normal
daily "wear and tear" within several years of manufacture, crashes due to
"aged tyres" is not a summary statistic likely to be collated (by Police or
any other agency). Let alone reported to the public.

Though an individual instance might well be noted within a related Police
crash report (if applicable to a cause of accident and in establishing driver
culpability).

Those happening to have vehicles with "old tyres" (e.g. own classic cars or
with vehicles in long term storage) are probably aware of rubber degradation,
and are likely to take some preventive action to ensure that their vehicles
will be on tyre rubber in "good condition" when next required to be driven.

Next question !


2. "You are far more likely to get run over by a bus than get hit by a car
with aged tyres".

Even if your assertion was able to be proven statistically correct, so what?
What point are you trying to make ?

There is no point to your question.

Next question !


3. "Maybe you would like all the parking wardens to give tickets for tyres
over 6 years old as well as for expired reg and WOF".

Why ? Is it illegal ? No ? So why should drivers be financially sanctioned
(at this point in time) ?

There !

Hopefully that's answered all your current dumb ar$e questions for you.
I won't say it was a pleasure.

[Akzle]

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No, because I don't walk out in front of buses...
?

holy shit you're so lucky!!

[caspernz]

It wasn't actually as much of a tyre issue as a Ford Explorer issue and it was Firestone tyres

Didn't help that Mr Ford wanted to run the tyres at pressures below what the tyre manufacturer recommended. The Explorer also didn't fare too well when a tyre had deflated, which is indeed a Ford Explorer design issue.

[caspernz]

The topic of tyre failure due to age and deterioration is an old one. It's not just trailers/caravans that are affected by this issue. Any vehicle which does low mileage annually will age its tyres before the tread is worn off. Whether it's camper vans, the farm truck, the boat trailer, a runabout car that never ventures out of town, or even the car owned by a retired couple that only goes to the shops. Any of these examples are prone to failure when the tyres are properly stressed for the first time in ages.

Now I looked at the set of tyres I peeled off my bike a couple of weeks ago. Front tyre was manufactured in week 17 of 2016, denoted by 1716. Rear tyre was made in week 20 of 2016, marked by 2016. Yes I've worn them out already, for my bike gets around enough. Compared this with a mate of mine, he has a bike but hardly rides it. So this will crack you up, it's a 2008 first rego model, still on its OEM tyres. He was complaining of the bike feeling a bit squirrelly in the wet. The date codes on the tyres were 1206 and 1406. Oh and rather squared off, which wouldn't help the confidence any, least of all in the wet. Had a bit of a chat on tyres, wonder if he'll take the plunge and spend a few bucks on a new set...

The holiday period shows up all manner of problems with "occasional use vehicles" anyway. In the past few weeks, apart from the dozen or more tyre failures I've seen, there's been a number of drawbar failures, towball and drawbar disconnections in transit, and even one which looked like the suspension on a trailer had given way. The 7/8 inch vs 50 mm towball nonsense cracks me up, but then I come from a different part of the world where this type of stuff was sorted out decades ago. The number eight wire mentality has a lot to answer for in NZ...

[Jeeper]

TPMS = Tyre Pressure Monitoring System..... Yup, it basically was thrust in general use following Ford Explorer fiasco. A way for the manufacturer to shift responsibility off to the driver (which it should be anyway).

[R650R]

At least no ones mentioned nitrogen filled tyres yet.... *runs away from thread*

[Moi]

At least no ones mentioned nitrogen filled tyres yet.... *runs away from thread*

But, but, BUT!

Isn't air nearly 80% nitrogen...

[Graystone]

Thanks for the tyre age reminder, got 4 xx11s in my fleet, the ones on my project bike certainly look in better nick than those on my car.

But, but, BUT!

Isn't air nearly 80% nitrogen...

Only until 20% leaks out... Skip that step and just fill them with 100% Nitrogen to begin with

[Kickaha]

Firestone and Bridgestone are the same company, BTW (Bridgestone Firestone, Inc in USA). It was about tread separation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire...re_controversy

https://one.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/announce...nesummary.html

I am well aware of that but it was Firestone branded tyres and it wasn't just a tread separation problem, there were 2500 of those tyres in NZ without one reported failure of the same type

Also they had failures on those vehicles of just about every brand of tyre fitted to them but Firestone took the brunt because they had by far the majority of them being OE fitment, Ford also paid Bridgestone back the money involved in the recall

[Voltaire]

I got new tyres the other week
They were going grey and past their peak
Born agains here they try hard to boss me
But square does fine as I’m no Rossi
The tyres have dates from when they were made
They last even longer when parked the shade

30 degrees in the shed.... ice cream time

[Akzle]

I agree with you about when the back tire squares off it impairs handling but as I dont corner like Rossi I find it managable until the tread depth is longer WOF compliant.

you're a fuckwit

[Moi]

... Only until 20% leaks out... Skip that step and just fill them with 100% Nitrogen to begin with

So you fill up with fresh air which is 80% nitrogen and then 20% of the fresh air leaks out, so you fill up with fresher fresh air and that's 80% nitrogen and 20% other stuff...

Ah... can't bothered going any further...

Far more important things to know...

... ice cream time

What flavour you eating?

[caseye]

Nitrogen in car/bike tyres isn't necessary on our roads, Normal super saloon rear tyre filled with ordinary compressed air would heat up and inflate to at least 6-10 pounds more during a standard race.
Fill em full of compressed Nitrogen and the differential was only ever as high as 2 pounds sometimes less, much better for performance statistics and set up notes from track to track. Tyres did heat up, but the air inside didn't expand, keeping the tyres working at optimal size and profile for a whole race instead of burning up at the 3/4 mark.

[Jeeper]

I am well aware of that but it was Firestone branded tyres and it wasn't just a tread separation problem, there were 2500 of those tyres in NZ without one reported failure of the same type

Also they had failures on those vehicles of just about every brand of tyre fitted to them but Firestone took the brunt because they had by far the majority of them being OE fitment, Ford also paid Bridgestone back the money involved in the recall

NZ driving conditions are different. It was a combination of heavy vehicle, lighter tyres and US driving conditions.

Which actually raises another important point, people overloading tyres and fitting passenger tyres on heavy SUVs. I run mud LT tyres on my Jeep, passenger tyre would not last long. So why take a chance. I know muds will reduce my braking, so drive to the conditions.

[Voltaire]

So you fill up with fresh air which is 80% nitrogen and then 20% of the fresh air leaks out, so you fill up with fresher fresh air and that's 80% nitrogen and 20% other stuff...

Ah... can't bothered going any further...

Far more important things to know...



What flavour you eating?

Alas only Tip Top, salted caramel, mint chock chip. Discovered Kapiti ice cream in Bulls on recent trip to SI, had to stop on way back too ... fig , lemon grass n ginger numnumnum.