Counter-steering, an unhelpful term

[Banditbandit]

I don'tr really give a fuck what it is called - but if you say "push steering" people will have no clue - counter-steering they know what you are talking about ..

Is there a limit to how hard you can counter steer?

if so how can you tell.....

apparantly i don’t do enough of it.

Yes. When the bars move in relation to the frame - and twist the front wheel - you will know when you fall off.

Your speed and the acuteness of the bend are the determining factors. If you fall off, you've over cooked it.

Exactly ...

Lets start now.

Do you counter steer a trials bike?

No idea - not a trials rider - just an impressed spectator.

Which leads too...... Does counter steering still work at slow speeds?

At low speeds I counter-steer significantly more than at high speeds, and, at the same time lean out instead of leaning in. This works realy well on small bikes - less so on big bikes - it's very dependent on your bike and your ability ..

And we come too.... Do moto gymkhana riders counter steer?

I suspect so - when I have taken part (infrequently and years ago I certainly did - whether that is god practice or not I have no idea.

Or maybe..... For a laugh. If using a hand signal to indicate turning left on a classic bike, how are you steering?

You get the same effect pulling back on the right bar - the problem in that scenario is that it is too easy to overcook it and dump the bike -as there is no counter pressure on the other bar to stop the front wheel twisting ..

What counter-steering does is upset the balance of the bike - the physics of a bike are set up so that it is perfectly balanced in a straight line ... to then a corner you need to upset the balance. Counter-steering achieves this by pushing the motorcycle down - on the side you are turning into .. it is not turning the bars in either direction - if you turn the bars you're going down ..

At the same time I balance the bike on the throttle - increasing the throttle tends to lift the bike up - I do this in corners I'm a little hot in - drop the shoulder and open the throttle ... the weight keeps the bike down, balanced by the extra engine speed - overall effect is a good corner ..

[Banditbandit]

To take a 90 degree low speed left turn, you counter steer to the right, to set up the lean, and then turn the handlebars leftwards,

I don't think this is quite what you mean - if you do that you will dump the bike ...

This may be what you think you are doing - but you are not turning the bars, you are pushing the whole bike down into the corners ..

[YellowDog]

I don't think this is quite what you mean - if you do that you will dump the bike ...

This may be what you think you are doing - but you are not turning the bars, you are pushing the whole bike down into the corners ..

OK fair enough. The way I see/feel it, is that once I steer into the bend, by following the line of the bend, with the steering, you are steering the bike from going over too far and low siding.

[Ocean1]

I don't think this is quite what you mean - if you do that you will dump the bike ...

This may be what you think you are doing - but you are not turning the bars, you are pushing the whole bike down into the corners ..

I think that's exactly what he meant, and in fact that's exactly what happens.

Have a look at pic's 1-3, page 12 on that wee item Moi posted.

[YellowDog]

Download this: In Full Control...

Love the quote:

[Banditbandit]

I think that's exactly what he meant, and in fact that's exactly what happens.

Have a look at pic's 1-3, page 12 on that wee item Moi posted.

I've read it - it does not contradict what I have said at all ..

[AllanB]

You girls are overthinking this shit.

Know it - try it. Learn.


Great quote in the above post.

[george formby]

Some posts have made me think about steering a bike. As said, you can't.

So, turning a bike? You would use the handlebars to do that, to steer the front wheel using leverage. Yeah, na.

Do aeroplanes counter steer? Anyone watched Red Bull air racing?

Yup, I reckon high performance planes do the jink, too.

Which is my thought. We aim to control the bank, velocity, balance, traction and pitch of a motorcycle. We guide it.

Someone posted about being at one with the bike, smooth, state of nirvana, kinda.

Bikes are the closest thing you can get to flying without leaving the ground. The handlebars keep us in contact with whats happening and carry a lot of controls handy

The bars give us a point of perspective and assistance with weight and gyroscopic effects. Making a bike turn is all about weight distribution and velocity. Subtlety in all dimensions.

Just sayin. I could be wrong.

Oh, and something to hang on to.

[actungbaby]

Care to back that up?

Why should i must be foolish if it was reg as a charity i dobt it . What do u think adds are on here for free . Geez .


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[YellowDog]

Why should i must be foolish if it was reg as a charity i dobt it . What do u think adds are on here for free . Geez .


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Is Kiwibiker taking over the country and we're all just too dumb to see it?

[FJRider]

Why should i must be foolish if it was reg as a charity i dobt it . What do u think adds are on here for free . Geez .

Translation: (always required with your posts) ... You CAN"T.

Adds are to cover costs. Just appreciate the service/amusement this site provides you (FREE) ... or fuck off.

[FJRider]

... Is Kiwibiker taking over the country and we're all just too dumb to see it?

Vote Spank me for PM (or King .. ???) ...

[YellowDog]

Vote Spank me for PM (or King .. ???) ...

I put 'Spank me' down as my chosen religion on the recent census.

He'd make a good PM. No restrictions on pron, might make an attractive vote winning policy

'King Spank', also has a nice ring to it too

I guess with that huge amount of money coming in through the KB doors, I guess he could offer us all $1,000 to vote for him.

[nzspokes]

Countersteer until shit starts dragging on the road. That's probably enough.

[AllanB]

Countersteer until shit starts dragging on the road. That's probably enough.

THIS.

End of discussion.