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    From my daily drive on the Southern Motorway, hazard lights are the in thing, and splitting at speed on nicely flowing traffic.

    Does the L plate I see on some of them mean Lucky?
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    I agree with the previous sentiment that you make your own decisions about what you are comfortable with or not. I know that I split lanes considerably slower than a significant number of riders in and around Auckland. Indeed I work with a chap who is a very capable rider but I simply won't try and stay with him when it comes to lane splitting.

    Life's about choices...

    Moving about in your lane when you are happy to go with the (Slow) flow of traffic definitely helps too. Far be it from me to decry those who choose to lane split at a different speed to me - If they come up behind me I always make an effort to pull into a gap and let them through. It's easier for me and I'm not hacking them off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Depends on what you are searching for.
    not really .

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    "Don't lane split with your hazard lights on"...
    Well, the KB brains trust will fail that attitude test.





    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    NEVER NEVER ride a motorcycle in traffic like you drive a car.
    I find the opposite is quite relevant. "When tin-topping, resist the need to filter to the front of the queue" (unless driving a snow plough).
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    there is really no point in using indicators at all when lanesplitting as your in neither one lane or the other and car drivers are not stuck in traffic

    looking in their rear vision mirrors for motorcycles.

    You would be better of doing what they do in India and beep the horn continuously , at least the taxi and courier drivers would know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    there is really no point in using indicators at all when lanesplitting as your in neither one lane or the other and car drivers are not stuck in traffic

    looking in their rear vision mirrors for motorcycles.

    You would be better of doing what they do in India and beep the horn continuously , at least the taxi and courier drivers would know.
    Beeping the horn is more likely to tip the P heads over the edge and get you raged at in NZ esp here in the P capital of NZ, whangarei, although in principle I am right with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Beeping the horn is more likely to tip the P heads over the edge and get you raged at in NZ esp here in the P capital of NZ, whangarei, although in principle I am right with you!
    When I was in India a couple of years back you didn't bother using indicators only the horn, one day my horn stopped working and I pulled over until the support vehicle turned up, no way was I going thru an uncontrolled intersection with no horn.
    I'm hearing ya on who is driving on the roads though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    When I was in India a couple of years back you didn't bother using indicators only the horn, one day my horn stopped working and I pulled over until the support vehicle turned up, no way was I going thru an uncontrolled intersection with no horn.
    I'm hearing ya on who is driving on the roads though.
    Yeah mate, i have done my fair share of horn tootin countries. Works for them...
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    The big point for me is if they put out an instruction Vid on how to split safely

    THEY ARE SAYING THEY CONDON IT

    Careful tho!
    The vid shows a bike passing on the side of the center line that doesn't break the existing law, Its overtaking.
    If the bike wanders over to the other side of the center line and is undertaking technically "as I understand it" that still breaks the law. Unless that line is stationary.
    So this vid has been very very carefully made.
    We all know that when cars get banked up in a que they move over to see down the line and its impossible not to split both sides of the line.
    In fact we prob spend over 50% on the wrong side of the line. This is why the current law needs changing.
    Very tricky this one, careful out there all, tickets could still be issued.

    Hopefully my understanding of the current law is correct but Rastus might come along and have some input??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    THEY ARE SAYING THEY CONDON IT ??
    Is that like durex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    Hopefully my understanding of the current law is correct but Rastus might come along and have some input??
    Everyone should read up and understand the Road User Rule and not rely on advice from someone on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Is that like durex?


    Everyone should read up and understand the Road User Rule and not rely on advice from someone on the internet.

    Here's your starter for ten.
    Sage advice.

    But don't go looking for the section on lane splitting or filtering. You won't find it. It doesn't exist.

    Our laws only talk about passing. When you can pass on the left, and when you can pass on the right.

    Then it says that at all times when passing you must do do in a "safe" manner.

    And there's the problem. What you think is safe, the cop watching you might not think is safe. It's a subjective call.

    That's why there's a catch-all ticket for "Overtaking In An Unsafe Manner". Weighing in at $150.

    The biggest issue with lane splitting or filtering is catching someone unawares. Yes, everone should be aware of what's moving around them. But most driver's are only concerned about the space ahead of them.

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    So your filtering down a between two lanes of slow moving traffic, if your on the left of the white line your overtaking but if your on the right your illegally undertaking right?
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post

    I find the opposite is quite relevant. "When tin-topping, resist the need to filter to the front of the queue" (unless driving a snow plough).
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    I know 3 people who now no longer are able to ride, and several more who were injured because they a: stopped in a line of traffic at some lights and were rear ended - they weren't seen because they blended in with the vehicle in front or b: were sitting in the lane travelling at the same speed as the car and got side swiped because the driver only saw a gap.

    35 years in auckland traffic and I refuse to do either of those things. If it happens to you, there is nowhere to go, no escape route.

    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Our laws only talk about passing. When you can pass on the left, and when you can pass on the right.

    Then it says that at all times when passing you must do do in a "safe" manner.

    And there's the problem. What you think is safe, the cop watching you might not think is safe. It's a subjective call..
    I keep trying to explain to people; "Yes, it looked unsafe to you, but your perspective and the guy on the bikes in different. You don't know what danger they are trying to mitigate."
    A lady at work once saw me go through a red light on my bicycle. The next day at work she abused the hell out of me. I waited till she finished and then explained that the road there was very narrow. The reason I ran the light was because on the other side the road widened and if I get there before the cars, there is less chance I am going to be pushed off the road by impatient drivers who just push past regardless." She said isnt that iilegal? I said yes it is, but I am careful, I only do it when I am sure its safe, and I would rather get a ticket for running a red light than end up in hospital or dead because a car driver cant wait 20 secs to let me through.

    I've received 2 tickets for speeding where I had to accelerate to avoid being hit by a car, and one for driving on the flush median because a drunk driver nearly smashed me into the back of a truck and I used the flush median to get out of the way. The officer in question didnt care why, because from his perspective he didnt see it, and I didnt care I got a ticket because its better to get a ticket than be a cripple for the rest of my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    So your filtering down a between two lanes of slow moving traffic, if your on the left of the white line your overtaking but if your on the right your illegally undertaking right?
    yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    So your filtering down a between two lanes of slow moving traffic, if your on the left of the white line your overtaking but if your on the right your illegally undertaking right?
    Yes.

    But it's still subject to the safe overtaking requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Yes.

    But it's still subject to the safe overtaking requirement.
    Thanks for that Mr Meterman :P

    I try to explain to people its impossible not to break the passing law when we split as it stands atm.
    So from the vid we can take it that Police have decided to ignore the impracticality of the illegal undertaking part (dumb law) and focus on safety.
    Wether this be national or just in Manukau is another matter. Remember that guy at the bottom of the Ngauranga Gorge in Welly haha he could still get ya :P

    Look guys we are prob better off the way it is in the hands of the officer on the day as if we get a new law they'll make it max speed 40k and we will still break it anyway.
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