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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Just like the WoF system the licence testers have a fail quota to meet.
    Seriously? Where did you hear of a fail quota for WoF's??

    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Fake news alert.
    Ex-fuckin-actly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Seriously? Where did you hear of a fail quota for WoF's??



    Ex-fuckin-actly.
    Well it's not a quota as such, but the NZTA inspector that did my last assessment told me that if any issuing authority fails less than 10% of their inspections, NZTA starts to take a closer look at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Well it's not a quota as such, but the NZTA inspector that did my last assessment told me that if any issuing authority fails less than 10% of their inspections, NZTA starts to take a closer look at them.
    Worded like that I can believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Seriously? Where did you hear of a fail quota for WoF's??
    Mate that works at the PN VTNZ.
    It came down to like Katman said but I was told they were expected to be round 20% fail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Mate that works at the PN VTNZ.
    It came down to like Katman said but I was told they were expected to be round 20% fail
    Yeah the way KM worded it made it make sense, more of an expectation than a quota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldog View Post
    Do they fail them if they get a flat?
    unable to change a tyre?
    They fucking should!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Yeah the way KM worded it made it make sense, more of an expectation than a quota.
    I use "quota" cause it's a bullshit thing anyways vehicles should either pass or fail on own merits just like people should with their licences as against, again, a made up "performance target" that the testers are expected to meet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I use "quota" cause it's a bullshit thing anyways vehicles should either pass or fail on own merits
    Yeah - maybe ... LTNZ knows about 20% of the vehicles on the road are not WOF standard. Therefore, if all vehicles are going for a WOF test - about 20% should be failed.


    Now some garages may fail more, because they get rougher cars, while some garages will fail less - they get better cars to test.

    So if you have less than 10% they will come and look ... 10% is on the low side .. gives the garage a bit of leeway ..

    Same for traffic tickets - about 10% of all cars on the road at any specified time are doing something illegal - they know how may cars are on the road at any one time - so they know how many drivers are breaking the law - and should be stopped by police. Given that the police are not watching everyone everywhere all the time - the chances of catching all illegal drivers is ZERO - but they have a good idea how many can be caught ...

    Did you know that three out of every five bikes on the road is somehow illegal - incorrect licence, no licence, no WoF .. speeding - pick one or two. So a cop stopping a bike has a three out of five chances of issuing a ticket - for cars it's about 1 in 5.

    There are no quotas for traffic cops - but those who drop in ticket numbers will be spoken to. And if your numbers are dropping - stop the bikes - better than average chance of giving tickets ..
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    I remember Dawn from Rider Training saying something like that she started recording all her CBTA rides - as she was failing less than the typical fail rate (which was due to the excellent riding training that they provided for most riders) - and the authorities were questioning her pass rates - so she had proof that they were meeting the standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I use "quota" cause it's a bullshit thing anyways vehicles should either pass or fail on own merits just like people should with their licences as against, again, a made up "performance target" that the testers are expected to meet
    It's not a performance target.
    The auditor (probably the same guy that looks at Katman) told me, that based on the demographic of client/vehicle my business targeted, that the expectation of that age of vehicle/socioeconomic situation, dictated based on statistics a certain failure rate as the norm.
    He explained that a new car dealership, servicing cars up to six years old had a virtually nil failure rate expectation. A lower socioecinomic area, where people drive old shitters & are too stupid to be proactive about their own safety (not his exact words) may have a 80 percent failure expectation.
    It's not a target, but there would be a red flag raised if a garage in the middle of shitsville didn't fail any cars that were over 20 years old with 200plus kms on them.

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    Fail a WOF, then can't get rego, plus original problem for WOF fail, escalates very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    There was a story in the media in ChCh some months back that cops prowled the poorer sides of town more because there was a greater chance of issuing tickets. Dont forget that boy racers would be easy to ticket too.
    thats called profiling. By the way boyravers dont even exist in ticketing statistics, just media hype, like dog and lemon author tosspot calling bikers yobbos on a mission to self exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldrider View Post
    thats called profiling.
    Or a case of police who are on traffic duty and not finding any trade, and probability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neels View Post
    Or a case of police who are on traffic duty and not finding any trade, and probability.
    Works both ways, depends on available time and fun to be had. The smart ones check out the plate and peel off, the thickos (majority) want a rumble. There is also bikes stopped to checkout whether stolen or are funded by crime.

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