Engagement With Motorcyclists

[scumdog]

I read a study years ago that said that due to the increasing numbers of signs being installed, people only mindfully register around 20% of the signs installed.

The signs just become part of the white noise littering the road sides, from the point of view of a drivers mind.

I think wearing a gorilla suit waving a pink "Look Out" sign mind draw someone's attention. I'll run it past the new boss.

An idea I saw in the States was a series of 'rumble strips' across the road near intersections out in the country, as you approach the intersection the strips get progressively closer the nearer you got to the intersection

I guess the subconscious senses you're getting faster as you near the intersection due to the 'babump' noises getting closer and closer and you feel the need to slow down?

EDIT: I see eldog has posted much the same!

[SVboy]

I find the SDC has imposed an 80km limit between Lincoln and Taitapu. Makes sense on the old Taitapu road with a lot of residential/farm entrances with blind corners, but on a mainly straight road with no crossroads apart from Ellesmere rd? Smacks of heavy handed big brother imho. Your take Mr safety co-ordinator?

[Grumph]

I find the SDC has imposed an 80km limit between Lincoln and Taitapu. Makes sense on the old Taitapu road with a lot of residential/farm entrances with blind corners, but on a mainly straight road with no crossroads apart from Ellesmere rd? Smacks of heavy handed big brother imho. Your take Mr safety co-ordinator?

refer my post re roads not built for the wheel loadings now seen. In conjunction with a council reluctant to spend on road maintenance, you're going to see more lower limits.

[roogazza]

Ripple strips shit me ! I swerve onto the wrong side to avoid them around here in the Horowhenua.
Being a motorcyclist I avoid bumps .But yes, in the Falcooon tho, they shit me.

Another joke around here in the wire rope barriers going up every other place. (is someone making money with this little game ?)

[rastuscat]

I find the SDC has imposed an 80km limit between Lincoln and Taitapu. Makes sense on the old Taitapu road with a lot of residential/farm entrances with blind corners, but on a mainly straight road with no crossroads apart from Ellesmere rd? Smacks of heavy handed big brother imho. Your take Mr safety co-ordinator?

I've not even started the job yet, first day is Monday week.

I'd appreciate the chance to speak to the folk involved, engineers, planners etc, before forming a view.

It's been my experience that some speed reductions are very well justified. Can't speak for that one yet.

[sinfull]

Ripple strips shit me ! I swerve onto the wrong side to avoid them around here in the Horowhenua.
Being a motorcyclist I avoid bumps .But yes, in the Falcooon tho, they shit me.

Another joke around here in the wire rope barriers going up every other place. (is someone making money with this little game ?)

You're talking Tararua rd aye Gaz ... Only rumbles strips like that coming up to an Intersection i've ever seen ! Think they are a marvelous idea

[rastuscat]

You're talking Tararua rd aye Gaz ... Only rumbles strips like that coming up to an Intersection i've ever seen ! Think they are a marvelous idea

I saw some once. I don't recall where. I remember thinking at the time that the roading guys must have had too many orange juices.

Turns out they are carefully placed, and spaced.

But then, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[SVboy]

I've not even started the job yet, first day is Monday week.

I'd appreciate the chance to speak to the folk involved, engineers, planners etc, before forming a view.

It's been my experience that some speed reductions are very well justified. Can't speak for that one yet.

Hurry Man! This is important!

[sinfull]

Going back to the original post ...
I tried to read the thread, but it's obvious not much has changed in the 8 years i've not been on this site ... most here are still clowns and it's not worth reading the responses !

What ever you do my authoritative friend, will be an improvement to what is out there now ...
I've seen a few ACC funded ride forever courses advertised.. but far from enough considering the cost of rego now !
It should perhaps be ACC, the starting point you're looking for ?

Everybody likes free shit and Motorcyclists being who/what they are, like to show off ... Mix the two perhaps !
Skills are picked up in many ways .. You teach a kid to power slide a MC and he will learn to control a slide in a back brake mistake ! You take a kid to the track and he will learn his limits and that of his bike ... Particularly if there is someone there with knowledge of bike set up and the science of tires/temp/pressures, willing to help (or Paid by our levies)

Another big one is the fact so many Motorcyclists still blame everyone else for getting hurt.. So what if the car driver was at fault ? The rider is the one who will be broken in a mix up with a car, so He/She has to have far more situational awareness ... You will not be able to educate Car drivers to watch for Motorcyclists (unless each and every driver was to do a BHS course on a MC, which would prob only be any good for the first 6 months)

I watched a vid this morning that someone had put on FB, of a rider in the states going through an intersection and ploughing into a turning car ...
Car was obviously at fault ... but i commented that the rider deserved all he got ... My bad and got reprimanded for it... But i stand by my comment..
The video (meme) said the rider was only doing 30mph but yet it self destructed on impact, to the point the front tire rolled away without a rim, not to mention the car had half it's front torn off ... No way was that a 30mph crash but I was BAD for saying the rider was a fool to enter that intersection at the speed he was doing >> (i recon minimum of 55 60 mph)
So i read some of the comments on the original post and there was a hell debate as to who was in the wrong ... Who fucking cares who was wrong ... the car diver walked and the rider ended up in hospital ...

Situational awareness ... Other drivers are going to fuck up, Your average car driver does not see a headlight or a day glo vest, because they are looking for a grille ... why is it so hard to drum this into riders heads ?

Anyway go hard with whatever you try to do to save lives ... and thank you !

PS ... I know, i know ... i sound like Steve here ... Yes and i still back everything he has said 100% about Motorcyclists needing to take responsibility for their own safety !

[rastuscat]

Going back to the original post ...
I tried to read the thread, but it's obvious not much has changed in the 8 years i've not been on this site ... most here are still clowns and it's not worth reading the responses !

What ever you do my authoritative friend, will be an improvement to what is out there now ...
I've seen a few ACC funded ride forever courses advertised.. but far from enough considering the cost of rego now !
It should perhaps be ACC, the starting point you're looking for ?

Everybody likes free shit and Motorcyclists being who/what they are, like to show off ... Mix the two perhaps !
Skills are picked up in many ways .. You teach a kid to power slide a MC and he will learn to control a slide in a back brake mistake ! You take a kid to the track and he will learn his limits and that of his bike ... Particularly if there is someone there with knowledge of bike set up and the science of tires/temp/pressures, willing to help (or Paid by our levies)

Another big one is the fact so many Motorcyclists still blame everyone else for getting hurt.. So what if the car driver was at fault ? The rider is the one who will be broken in a mix up with a car, so He/She has to have far more situational awareness ... You will not be able to educate Car drivers to watch for Motorcyclists (unless each and every driver was to do a BHS course on a MC, which would prob only be any good for the first 6 months)

I watched a vid this morning that someone had put on FB, of a rider in the states going through an intersection and ploughing into a turning car ...
Car was obviously at fault ... but i commented that the rider deserved all he got ... My bad and got reprimanded for it... But i stand by my comment..
The video (meme) said the rider was only doing 30mph but yet it self destructed on impact, to the point the front tire rolled away without a rim, not to mention the car had half it's front torn off ... No way was that a 30mph crash but I was BAD for saying the rider was a fool to enter that intersection at the speed he was doing >> (i recon minimum of 55 60 mph)
So i read some of the comments on the original post and there was a hell debate as to who was in the wrong ... Who fucking cares who was wrong ... the car diver walked and the rider ended up in hospital ...

Situational awareness ... Other drivers are going to fuck up, Your average car driver does not see a headlight or a day glo vest, because they are looking for a grille ... why is it so hard to drum this into riders heads ?

Anyway go hard with whatever you try to do to save lives ... and thank you !

Yes, it always makes me smile how much debate goes on post-crash about whose fault it is. To be clear, fault matters little when it comes to the outcome of the crash you just had.

If you own the crash, you have a chance to learn from it. If you just sit back and play the blame game you leave the solution to someone else.

We can also learn from other peoples crashes. But only if that person learns from it themselves.

It's all a bit psychological, but it comes down to this. If you own the problem, you own the solution.

[Grumph]

I saw some once. I don't recall where. I remember thinking at the time that the roading guys must have had too many orange juices.

Turns out they are carefully placed, and spaced.

But then, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

There's a set of them at the junction above the Rakaia gorge - sited I believe to wake up the early morning skiers going through to Mt Hutt...
That junction, despite being wide open and flat, has one of the worst accident records in the county.
The inland road south of the gorge also has them before single lane bridges.
Quite a good audible/tactile warning IMO.

[rastuscat]

I find the SDC has imposed an 80km limit between Lincoln and Taitapu. Makes sense on the old Taitapu road with a lot of residential/farm entrances with blind corners, but on a mainly straight road with no crossroads apart from Ellesmere rd? Smacks of heavy handed big brother imho. Your take Mr safety co-ordinator?

Interesting link below, if you have the time.

http://www.abley.com/about-us/latest...ny-difference/

[AllanB]

It's been my experience that some speed reductions are very well justified. Can't speak for that one yet.

Knocking it down on Ellesmere Rd I understand - it's narrow, quick and getting bumpy. The one SV references is one of the better condition roads. Potentially lowered due to volume of traffic more than anything.

[jellywrestler]

do youse fullas have much in the way of your own tv channel down there like CTV still?
i get pissed off with the adverts telling us we're all idiots for going 0.5 over the speed limit and murderers etc, and just shut off, yet when is the last time we had an educating type of adverts, like why to dip you lights quickly, how to stop correctly for a pedestarian and some defensive driving tips?
most people cease to learn anything at all about driving as soon as they've got their license.
Cell phone use, there's yellow posts at traffic lights holding the fucking things up, what about some little signs on some of them re cell phone use, if people learn to use them less at an intersection then this should reduce the use while rolling.


i see some areas are introducing bycycle patrols aimed at catching people at intersections, why not have remotely monitored cameras at some intersections, you may not be able to ticket people but sending a reminder with a piccie of them on their phone or texting while at the lights might be enough to curb that behaviour a bit
big brotherish but cell phone use to me is a huge issue in attention on the roads.

[Scuba_Steve]

I read a study years ago that said that due to the increasing numbers of signs being installed, people only mindfully register around 20% of the signs installed.

The signs just become part of the white noise littering the road sides, from the point of view of a drivers mind.

I think wearing a gorilla suit waving a pink "Look Out" sign mind draw someone's attention. I'll run it past the new boss.

Tis true same happens with the "hit me I'm here" vests, road cones & especially temp speed zones/roadworks (they've been used so much in places that shouldn't have them they've just been ignored)

The design of roads doesn't help things either with signs & pretty coloured lights telling everyone what to do in an attempt to have it so people don't have to think, end result is people don't think.
The mission to make the roads safe is also detrimental to safety in that if people feel safe they pay less attention, so make the roads look unsafe (as they are) this doesn't have to mean you make them less safe just make it appear they're unsafe; same idea as those "traffic calming devices" like the hi-vis reeds they put in center of roads that make the road appear narrower & thus has the less than ideal drivers slowing down. Roads no narrower but the perception causes a adjustment.
However put thought into it. One of the other "traffic calming devices" NZTA like to use is blocking vision at roundabouts... fucking stupid idea that one

You want driver attention remove those pretty coloured lights, ban automagics, make the roads look dangerous; there's a start