Engagement With Motorcyclists

[Swoop]

The draft TAIP is one element by which the Transport Agency gives effect to the draft Government Policy Statement on land transport (GPS) and its strategic priorities of:

a safe system, free from death and serious injury

"Free" from death?
"Free" from serious injury?

So, basically an unobtainable goal.
Deluded fuckwits.

[rastuscat]

I can't tell you about the accident rates, but for the 5 years I lived there in the later 80's early 90's they are far more courteous driers..

Clothes driers? Hair driers?

[rastuscat]

"Free" from death?
"Free" from serious injury?

So, basically an unobtainable goal.
Deluded fuckwits.

A road death is not a goal. Aiming to eliminate a road death is.

[russd7]

A road death is not a goal. Aiming to eliminate a road death is.

I actually have a fair bit of respect for what you do and tend to agree with a fair bit of stuff you say but for anyone to set a goal of zero road deaths, as the guvment have indicated, are setting it up for failure. People will look at it and laugh as unless we become totally regulated and controlled and all put in completely automated transportation then it is absolutely unachievable. for a goal to be any good it has to be achievable or no one will take any notice of it.
I have ridden with people who are afraid of dying whilst riding and honestly i don't ride with them for long, they become dangerous and unpredictable with their braking etc, i have also ridden with (and been one) riders who don't really give a rats arse if they die while riding and so ride accordingly, I kinda think im somewhere in the middle now, im not scared of being killed while riding but i do mitigate risk to a large degree, yes i have done ride forever courses which have reminded me that i became lazy as opposed to teaching me a whole lot of stuff i didn't already know but i enjoy riding for the risk it poses as much as anything else.
having said that, any close call i have i always dissect it to see why i ended up in a close call situation and what i could have done better to avoid another persons mistake. (my mistakes i already know what i did wrong).

to me where there is life, there is death, and horrible shit happens from time to time.

set goals that are achievable, zero deaths is not an achievable goal

[Berries]

set goals that are achievable, zero deaths is not an achievable goal

Unless something has changed it was "increasingly free of deaths and serious injuries" so an ongoing reduction which you can't argue with. No government can set an actual number as a target. Will try and find an Australian TV ad from a couple of years ago which shows why that does not make sense.

[russd7]

Unless something has changed it was "increasingly free of deaths and serious injuries" so an ongoing reduction which you can't argue with. No government can set an actual number as a target. Will try and find an Australian TV ad from a couple of years ago which shows why that does not make sense.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ries-from-2020

actually have zero respect for this person

[caspernz]

In some circles it's referred to as Vision Zero, so the aim is to have none, whilst accepting that Human Factors makes this unattainable.

[Berries]

In some circles it's referred to as Vision Zero, so the aim is to have none, whilst accepting that Human Factors makes this unattainable.

I think this was covered earlier in the thread.

Anyway, that video as to why you cannot have an acceptable number - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_v34lK_oXw

[jellywrestler]

Clothes driers? Hair driers?

my clothes dryer has it's own hair drier....

[AllanB]

I have ridden with people who are afraid of dying whilst riding and honestly i don't ride with them for long, they become dangerous and unpredictable with their braking etc,

You been riding with Cassina?

[Swoop]

A road death is not a goal. Aiming to eliminate a road death is.

Eliminating "a" road death is achievable. Deluded politicians who want to eliminate "all" road deaths need to be rounded up and sent off to the camps for re-education...

[Moi]

I think this was covered earlier in the thread.

Anyway, that video as to why you cannot have an acceptable number - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_v34lK_oXw

Wow, powerful advert...

Be interesting to hear the public's reaction to it IF it was shown on ALL free-to-air television channels in NZ at 6:30pm...

[caspernz]

I think this was covered earlier in the thread.

Anyway, that video as to why you cannot have an acceptable number - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_v34lK_oXw

Good one thanks, I haven't spent much time on here lately, got fed up with the cassina BS for one. That's a good video.

The Vision Zero approach has loads of merit, but the detractors get hung up on the ambition of the concept.

[russd7]

You been riding with Cassina?

thankfully no but i do believe i passed it round Wind Whistle round xmas time, if it wasn't cassina then was surely related, i didn't hang round long enough to find out, had to catch up to me mates who went thru the day before

[Taxythingy]

thankfully no but i do believe i passed it round Wind Whistle round xmas time, if it wasn't cassina then was surely related, i didn't hang round long enough to find out, had to catch up to me mates who went thru the day before

It's the new driver's eyesight test. From ten metres, can you spot the tufts of dog hair poking out of the forks & headlight?