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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    However put thought into it. One of the other "traffic calming devices" NZTA like to use is blocking vision at roundabouts... fucking stupid
    QE2 and Marshland Rd. Used to be one if the most crashed roundabouts in Chch.

    Coz it had trees growing on it. And very poor views across the roundabout.

    To be fair, it would have been fine if people had made good gap selections. But no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    QE2 and Marshland Rd. Used to be one if the most crashed roundabouts in Chch.

    Coz it had trees growing on it. And very poor views across the roundabout.

    To be fair, it would have been fine if people had made good gap selections. But no.
    A common one that:

    "Where it was parked the Prado was blocking my view and I didn't see the other car coming"

    "Did you not think of cautiously creeping out of the side street until you COULD see instead of just driving out?"

    "No...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    A common one that:

    "Where it was parked the Prado was blocking my view and I didn't see the other car coming"

    "Did you not think of cautiously creeping out of the side street until you COULD see instead of just driving out?"

    "No...."
    Don't know the intersection in case but there are some round my region where in a standard cage you'd have to have your bonnet half in the lane to see round SUV's parked up, pretty much have the whole car out if you're rolling something like a Mercedes Benz SLS AMG
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    You are certainly better off visability wise on a bike or in an SUV. I read recently that Ford are going to stop manufacturing all cars except for the Mustang and just make 4WDs and utes. No doubt other manufacturers will follow suit.
    FYI it's SUV's not 4WD's that they're making (For the American market, there's still Euro Ford); most don't have 4WD they're FWD station-wagons in an oversize package
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    A common one that:

    "Where it was parked the Prado was blocking my view and I didn't see the other car coming"

    "Did you not think of cautiously creeping out of the side street until you COULD see instead of just driving out?"

    "No...."
    Bloody tinted windows... once upon a time you could see through parked vehicles or when they were in a steam of traffic... nowadays they either have tinted windows [why?] or they're mobile garden sheds parked on the side of the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I know you can buy them in both 2 and 4wd but the point I am making is if you want better visability than you have in your car the way to go is to buy one. If cars stop being make it wont worry me as I bought a 4WD back in 2002 after being in a "NOT AT FAULT" head on crash and I would not go back to a car.

    So you can now drive round like one of those other cunts in large 4WD's who think nothing will happen to them?

    False God there girl, just look at the number of truck crashes in NZ.

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    SUVs take up more lane space, making lane splitting harder for motorbikes and pushbikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    If I wanted to engage with motorcyclists, where would I start?

    On here? Motorcycle shops? Clubs? Facebook?

    The subject would be our safety on the road. Not a sexy subject, and one which isn't sold easily.

    Nobody thinks it'll happen to them. The crash. So nobody sees the need to change to prevent it.

    Where would someone start?
    Are u kidding me no one expects it.
    Have u been on road lately...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scubbo View Post
    I'll engage if you can:

    get the AA to feck off,
    the councils to acknowledge motorcycles as a valid if not necessary form of transport in cities,
    ACC cover tax only applying to single Class6 license rather than per bike
    I add not getting ripped of on acc levvys . Have seen how cheap it is in uk. Cant tell me they dont have simlar accident rates.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    I think you're going to have a hard time getting engagement with motorcyclists on this matter. Motorcyclists already feel besieged by unwanted advice and preaching. Everyone who rides a motorcycle already knows, understands and accepts the risks - why do we need a constant brigade of hi-viz-wearing nanny-staters constantly evangelising at us?

    To answer your question though, I'd be engaging motorcyclists in person rather than online - bike shops, events, group runs etc.
    Here here . Enjoy the noment and the ride . Other wise dont bother..
    I decided stop being moaning millie . Not get up tight over orher drivers. There just people .but yeah so over pc idiots . And busy bodies .


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    So based on your theory everyone should be driving large 4WD's or the likes. Lets assume they become the majority road vehicle. People will still crash, you'll just have two arrogant drivers thinking they are immune to damage ramming into each other at speed.

    The licence system is shit. I got mine when I was a kid, other than a eye test every decade I am not tested, or reviewed or refreshed again until I am what, 70?

    Minimum should be a defensive driving course every decade with road rule refreshers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I would not say nothing would happen but just that less is likely to happen. In the example you give of truck crashes if its car v truck who is most likely to die?
    either or, that's like saying a car is travelling down the road with a maori a samoan a tongan and a fijian, who is driving?




    the answer is- a policeman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    So based on your theory everyone should be driving large 4WD's or the likes. Lets assume they become the majority road vehicle. People will still crash, you'll just have two arrogant drivers thinking they are immune to damage ramming into each other at speed.

    The licence system is shit. I got mine when I was a kid, other than a eye test every decade I am not tested, or reviewed or refreshed again until I am what, 70?

    Minimum should be a defensive driving course every decade with road rule refreshers.
    Quite valid that, unfortunately some are thicko's and should resit it every year. Is basic indicating your move really that difficult or has society just got selfish and now really are just not giving a fuck about others.?
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    Rastus given it is related to your new job do you think you can find out what NZTA mean in the TAIP (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/planning-an...posal-2018-27/) when they talk about "motorcycle routes". I read something about SH2 around Wellington but not finding a whole bunch of detail. Is it an expansion of what they attempted around coro with the safer barriers etc. or is it something else?

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    The draft TAIP is one element by which the Transport Agency gives effect to the draft Government Policy Statement on land transport (GPS) and its strategic priorities of:

    a safe system, free from death and serious injury

    The writing is on the wall here fellas, motorcycles to be made illegal by 2020 I reckon

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