Calling all conspiracy theorists - do you believe in this one?

[mashman]

I blame the Chinese.

What's going on over there is nothing more than won-ton destruction.

[admenk]

I blame the Chinese.

I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees

[Oakie]

I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DqvweTYTI0

[neels]

To ask the obvious question............if said chemtrails are hanging in the sky for several hours, then there are a couple of issues;

With the difference in wind directions, particularly at 2000-10000ft, it's a pretty hit and miss operation dispensing from aircraft at high altitudes.

If it's hanging in the sky for several hours after being 'dispensed', then a better delivery method needs to be devised, as it's obviously not making it's way to the ground which would severely limit it's usefulness in controlling the filthy masses below.

You'd be surprised how large some of the loops are between practice approaches when training pilots, at jet speeds it's not very far from christchurch to wellington.

[eldog]

Would it not just be easier to create some chemical Fluoride for instance and add that to the water supply. No one would know.

much easier to do than aerial spraying- anyone remember the controversial aerial spraying for that moth over Auckland a couple of years ago? By the way how’s that going?

for the poster that was worried about people who had no tv. Once they have been enlightened(westernised) they will become our next largest market.

[sugilite:Me]

Lets see you said your saw something you were not sure about yet you then called it a chemtrail
When i and others asked for detail you get all defensive about it.

I explained earlier why I called it a chemtrail. It has become a fairly mainstream term in the media etc.

I missed your post where you indicated West Coast South Island.
You gave some details such as you believed the vaporous trail was 20KM wide yet thus far refuse to give any indications on dates etc.
You even went as far as to say the plane/s was clearly not carrying passengers or freight. But i see no reason how you could logically establish this.

Again, what does dates have to do with it. Early April 2017 if you absolutely must know. I see no real relevance in the dates. I was simply curious and watched every morning for a week. I did not think I had a NEED to record dates for one Husaberg on KB. As I have stated again, and again (it really is very simple) I saw a plane come towards, past then further in a distance turn around and come back all the while leaving a contrail. All obviously without landing to drop off freight or passengers, unless they are just pushing the freight out of the doors from a great height, and the passengers are jumping out with chutes and deploying them once below the level of the ranges? Seriously - with a plane following the above scenario, it is very logical that it is very unlikely to be carrying freight and or passengers.

You said you could see all the way from Westport to Karamea (heaphy Track)
If you gave details it would be pretty easy to establish what planes were using that flight path as commercial planes operate in flight corridors.
From what you have said or your visibility it would appear you were living somewhere near Granity, is this correct?

You are in the ball park, but not really. However I do not think you could see Karamea/Heaphy track from Granity. I was closer to the mountains above Karamea.

I am not arguing that you believe you saw a single plane, Its just you interpretation of these events appears a little open for debate.
I would say what you seen was the scheduled early morning Queenstown to Auckland flight it flys higher than most out West early in the morning,overlapping with another flight likely a departing out of Welington. or another north island airport.
Wellington would overlap as they would be at significant different altitudes as they would still be climbing. Westport being just about the exact same latitude as Wellington fits in with what you might think was a u turn of a single craft.

Ummm, how many times do I need to repeat this, a single aircraft turning around (so 180 degrees so you can better understand) and the politically correct term contrail followed it the entire way. How the hell could your scenario of another intersecting plane even work with that pesky extremely easy to track contrail following said single aircraft. Grasping at straws seems an understatement when applied to the logic in your hypothesis of intersecting flights when I have time and time again repeated the contrails followed the plane through it's turn.

The other posibility which it appears you appear to have not considered was it was a RNZAF P3 Orion patrolling and protecting the NZ economic zone which if it was summer ,was highly probable as thats peak Tuna season.they tend to loiter and do multiple passes along the coast.

The plane was smaller than an Orion, and on it's southward bound travels it was more over land, not the coast.

I'm now thinking you are not as much a troll, rather as an inattentive keyboard warrior who gives scant regard to what it is people are really saying, then bang out on those poor keys absolute drivel all the while thinking you are quite the intellect. What I said is really so completely simple. I can only conclude that at best - your faith in your skim reading is completely misplaced, or at worst you are deliberately being an obtuse argumentative sod for the sake of it.

[Honest Andy]

Far out, fifteen pages... and it's still on topic???
Come on you guys!!!

I want to hear more about the terrorist nematodes

We had a bumper crop of tomatoes this year, but the corn didn't do any good. So I can't make my own diesel this year. Aaaaand I'm pretty sure I saw a BP sponsored hang-glider over my house in December soooooo....

Google Earth has got a lot to answer for

And why are delorto manuals all in Italian????

And don't get me started on council libraries! That's a real can of catapillars

[Katman]

Ummm, how many times do I need to repeat this,

Lots.

So he can multi-quote you - lots.

[TheDemonLord]

Whew, I must admit when I see you multi, multi, multi quotes, I feel a bit overwhelmed, but I only find this one quote above having me feel the need to reply.

I personally prefer them - since each comment can be responded to and each rebuttal is clear as to which statement it is in response to.

I guess art appreciation, nay definition is in the eye of the beholder. So I'm running what you said above against what I have been saying and your responses. Particularly where you embellish my words, and add your own words to them distorting them along the way.

It's interesting you focus on that one statement, ignoring the others - If you are wanting to make an accusation that I'm strawmanning you (fair enough, I don't think so, but whatevs) - then I get to in turn make the counter-accusation that you're taking a single statement out of context.

Doing the above to form a rebuttal on points I have not made is not to my mind art, or productively adding to a discussion. It is in effect commenting on your own writing. It is hard to respect that line of thinking and action.

Simply stating that I'm embellishing - with no additional clarification or no demonstration of what or why is also not productively adding to a discussion either.

If I were to TL;DR your views - you've got a suspicion of those 'in power', you subscribe to the over-population theory, you believe that there may be plans/tests/tech that has or is being trialed for some form of population control, you believe you've witnessed flight patterns and contrail patterns that the most likely explanation is the afor-mentioned and that you believe this is being done by those 'in power' in order to provide a strategy/defence/mechanism to maintain their power should the World turn to shit.

So tell me - have I embellished your views above? If so, exactly what aspect have I embellished?

[Katman]

If I were to TL;DR your views - you've got a suspicion of those 'in power', you subscribe to the over-population theory, you believe that there may be plans/tests/tech that has or is being trialed for some form of population control, you believe you've witnessed flight patterns and contrail patterns that the most likely explanation is the afor-mentioned and that you believe this is being done by those 'in power' in order to provide a strategy/defence/mechanism to maintain their power should the World turn to shit.

Would it be fair to say that you have completely discounted any possibility of there being any nefarious agenda in the pursuit of geo-engineering practices?

Even in the face of quotes such as "The nation which first learns to plot the paths of air masses accurately and learns to control the time and place of precipitation will dominate the globe" - as stated by General George C Kenney back in the 1940s when he was the Commander of US Strategic Air Command?

[sugilite:Me]

It's interesting you focus on that one statement, ignoring the others - If you are wanting to make an accusation that I'm strawmanning you (fair enough, I don't think so, but whatevs) - then I get to in turn make the counter-accusation that you're taking a single statement out of context.

Plural - read it again.

Simply stating that I'm embellishing - with no additional clarification or no demonstration of what or why is also not productively adding to a discussion either.

You know exactly when you are embellishing - it is your conscious decision to do so. Complete waste of my time to point them out. Wasting peoples time appears to be your tactic to get rid of/troll someone in my opinion.

If I were to TL;DR your views - you've got a suspicion of those 'in power', you subscribe to the over-population theory, you believe that there may be plans/tests/tech that has or is being trialed for some form of population control.

Sure

you believe you've witnessed flight patterns and contrail patterns that the most likely explanation is the afor-mentioned and that you believe this is being done by those 'in power' in order to provide a strategy/defence/mechanism to maintain their power should the World turn to shit.

False, I never stated I believe World powers are using that as a mechanism. I originally stated that I found it odd for the long lasting ever widening contrails, but now subscribe to it could be a change in circumstances since I was a child causing it. I have stated it seems a very impractical way of using it as said mechanism. However, I'm still very puzzled that the one plane out of the ones I watched was causing pre-mentioned condition was turning around - not landing and heading back almost daily for the observed week, and conversationally quite a few other times while out for a early morning pee that unfortunately for husaberg I did not date stamp. However, I am getting really. really tired of repeating the same thing over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, again.[/QUOTE]

So tell me - have I embellished your views above? If so, exactly what aspect have I embellished?

Yes - though you dialed it back, I have never stated that I believe that the trails I saw is "being done by those 'in power' in order to provide a strategy/defense/mechanism to maintain their power should the World turn to shit." Just curious as to what it could be about, I do still find it very odd and expensive repeated behavior.

What I have found interesting with the kiwibiker thing is how some people can be so different a person online on KB than what they are in real life so to speak. When I met you after coming out from near half an hour away in an attempt to help you when your bike had broken down in Dannevirke and you had posted a SOS on KB - I found you to be quite a good chap, one I was happy to help where possible. Your online personality? I could quite cheerfully ride by you on the side of the road and leave you to it. Which is something I have never actually done before, no matter what type of motorcycle they are riding.

[TheDemonLord]

You know exactly when you are embellishing - it is your conscious decision to do so. Complete waste of my time to point them out. Wasting peoples time appears to be your tactic to get rid of/troll someone in my opinion.

Demonstrably false - There's plenty of ways I could waste peoples time - if that was my goal, then surely I'd do so in a manner that maximizes the time wasted by others, whilst minimizing the effort I put in.

If it was to Troll people - again, there's better and more effective ways to Troll.

I've said I like to argue, and these days - that's the main reason I come here.

False, I never stated I believe World powers are using that as a mechanism. I originally stated that I found it odd for the long lasting ever widening contrails, but now subscribe to it could be a change in circumstances since I was a child causing it. I have stated it seems a very impractical way of using it as said mechanism. However, I'm still very puzzled that the one plane out of the ones I watched was causing pre-mentioned condition was turning around - not landing and heading back almost daily for the observed week, and conversationally quite a few other times while out for a early morning pee that unfortunately for husaberg I did not date stamp. However, I am getting really. really tired of repeating the same thing over, and over, and over, over, and over, and over, again.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

Yes - though you dialed it back, I have never stated that I believe that the trails I saw is "being done by those 'in power' in order to provide a strategy/defense/mechanism to maintain their power should the World turn to shit." Just curious as to what it could be about, I do still find it very odd and expensive repeated behavior.

Well, forgive me then - but you did raise it as a reason. I'm going to address the meat of the above 2 paragraphs in this response:

You've seen something that is Odd, yet may have a perfectly valid and rational explanation. You've conjectured (so not believed) a possibility that is not only far-fetched, but requires a large number of a priori positions (several of which I disagree with) and requires a degree of assumption of guilt upon various parties.

From my perspective - those last parts are worthy of rebuke and ridicule for seriously contemplating and then not rejecting (based on the current level of evidence to support them). I'm also not a big fan of the line of reasoning that has a resentful element against people who have achieved wealth and status, as I believe this to be a major social problem.

What I have found interesting with the kiwibiker thing is how some people can be so different a person online on KB than what they are in real life so to speak. When I met you after coming out from near half an hour away in an attempt to help you when your bike had broken down in Dannevirke and you had posted a SOS on KB - I found you to be quite a good chap, one I was happy to help where possible. Your online personality? I could quite cheerfully ride by you on the side of the road and leave you to it. Which is something I have never actually done before, no matter what type of motorcycle they are riding.

I did wonder when that was going to come up. Put it this way - I mainly these days come here to argue. Because I happen to enjoy it. Arguing necessitates several requirements: a Contrary position, a willingness to engage and rebuff forthrightly and a certain amount of determination.

If I only saw one aspect of your personality and judged accordingly - do you think it's possible I would say the same about you?

Furthermore - I've often maintained that I don't take the things I argue about online too seriously - to the point that if I was ever in a Pub and Katman walked in - I'd have a beverage with him (I don't think he'd say the same about me - but nvm) - perhaps you shouldn't take the internet too seriously either.

[Katman]

to the point that if I was ever in a Pub and Katman walked in - I'd have a beverage with him (I don't think he'd say the same about me - but nvm) -

I'm a little bit more fussy about who I drink with.

[T.W.R]

I've said I like to argue, and these days - that's the main reason I come here.

That's a fucking cassinarism if ever there was one

Pathetic existence via purposeful antagonism that sort of mentality is the reason this place is dwindling

[oldrider]

Canada: A Nation Crashing with NO SURVIVORS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGvlg0-RM5A