Calling all conspiracy theorists - do you believe in this one?

[TheDemonLord]

Still a lot smaller plane if you really want to check the full specs of both aircraft
Another thing you haven't considered is the flight altitude of such a small town domestic puddle jumper and the restrictions associated with the so-called transition zone around Wellington airport both of these aspects are a long way short of the height required to produce a contrail/chemtrail

Here's a couple of pics for you to get your head around

1) Qantas Flight heading into ChCh taken roughly the time this thread started (just for shits & giggles)
2) A Photo I took a few years back of something? a fucking long way up far above the average 35,000ft (camera maxed out both optical & digital zoom)
3) Air New Zealand flight heading to Queenstown (taken a few hours ago, camera at 12x optical & 48x digital zoom)

1: A380? - not sure if it's wearing Emirates or Qantas livery?
2: NFI
3: 777?

[Katman]

In terms of hypothetical ideas - sure, it's possible. In regards to that speech - The Military will often explore strange or abstract ideas, if they think they might have a tactical advantage. Your General is spitballing, he's not wrong - if in a conflict you could stop rain from a country for an extended period of time or you could generate rain in a specific region (to bog down an advancing force in mud, or cause flash floods) - then yes, absolutely - you would dominate the globe. In fact, this very idea has even made it's way into Pop-Culture via Red Alert 2 (an RTS game) - but there is a difference between discussing an idea or potential strategy, to implementing it.

Well they were discussing it back in the 1940s.

Who knows how far they've advanced their ideas over the last 70 years.

[Katman]

yes I completely discount it.


In terms of hypothetical ideas - sure, it's possible.

You should try making up your mind.

Or do you just like to hedge your bets?

[T.W.R]

1: A380? - not sure if it's wearing Emirates or Qantas livery?
2: NFI
3: 777?

Yeah the 1st one is an A380 but most likely Qantas as the Emirates planes come in a lot lower , the 3rd pic it'd be a 787
The 2nd pic is a fuckin mystery and as said what ever it was was a bloody long way up.....a lot further up than any normal flights and here I get to see pretty much everything heading north & south and heading into ChCh when there's a northerly blowing.
Get to see a lot of interesting things down here as it's big sky country even had a bunch of Helicopters fly over a couple weeks back nigh on midnight

[husaberg]

Still a lot smaller plane if you really want to check the full specs of both aircraft
Another thing you haven't considered is the flight altitude of such a small town domestic puddle jumper and the restrictions associated with the so-called transition zone around Wellington airport both of these aspects are a long way short of the height required to produce a contrail/chemtrail

Here's a couple of pics for you to get your head around

1) Qantas Flight heading into ChCh taken roughly the time this thread started (just for shits & giggles)
2) A Photo I took a few years back of something? a fucking long way up far above the average 35,000ft (camera maxed out both optical & digital zoom)
3) Air New Zealand flight heading to Queenstown (taken a few hours ago, camera at 12x optical & 48x digital zoom)

I have checked the specs, that where i got them from.

Orion
99 ft wingspan and 116 ft long

Cesna 208 caravan
37ft long and 52ft wingspan

1/2 wingspan and 1/3 as long
Remember Sugarlite described it as being much smaller than a P3.

None of any of the talk was about Wellingtons contrails or conditions
Only a mystery planes trajectory which he found suspicious leaving what Sugarlight described as suspicious contrails.

I have a photo on my other computer somewhere of a Vertical contrail, i will see if i can dig it out.
The plane was not in vertical flight it just left the turned vertical contrail on account of the atmospheric conditions

[husaberg]

Please find graphical representation of your idea of what a 180 degree turn looks like.....

That is your idea of what i described.
When i can be arsed i will draw what i actually described.

Before you ask, its called a spirial climb very common and very efficient

[sugilite:Me]

That is your idea of what i described.
When i can be arsed i will draw what i actually described.

Bet it will not be a 180 degree turn I have been describing all along.

[sugilite:Me]

I have checked the specs, that where i got them from.


1/2 wingspan and 1/3 as long
Remember Sugarlite described it as being much smaller than a P3.

Nope, I just said smaller - Not "much" smaller.

The plane was smaller than an Orion, and on it's southward bound travels it was more over land, not the coast.

It sounded like a jet, not a prop. My best "stab" is about 2/3 to 3/4 size of a P3

[husaberg]

Nope, I just said smaller - Not "much" smaller.

It sounded like a jet, not a prop. My best "stab" is about 2/3 to 3/4 size of a P3

Did it look like this?

[T.W.R]

None of any of the talk was about Wellingtons contrails or conditions
Only a mystery planes trajectory which he found suspicious leaving what Sugarlight described as suspicious contrails.

I have a photo on my other computer somewhere of a Vertical contrail, i will see if i can dig it out.
The plane was not in vertical flight it just left the turned vertical contrail on account of the atmospheric conditions

you brought up the mention of Wellington and Sounds Air flights what you've obviously overlooked is the alititude of which these flights are conducted at. That in itself isn't conducive to produce a contrail.

Vertical draft is the term you're looking for hot air causes updraft cold air causes downdraft

Old boy Cooper must have really got the district rocking

[ellipsis]

That is your idea of what i described.
When i can be arsed i will draw what i actually described.

Before you ask, its called a spirial climb very common and very efficient

...the Wiggles are at full complement at the moment...don't call us ... we'll call you ...

[husaberg]

you brought up the mention of Wellington and Sounds Air flights what you've obviously overlooked is the alititude of which these flights are conducted at. That in itself isn't conducive to produce a contrail.

Vertical draft is the term you're looking for hot air causes updraft cold air causes downdraft

Old boy Cooper must have really got the district rocking

brought it up as thats a possible flight that follows a similar path.
I have no interst in the contrails sugarlite says he found suspicious.

[oldrider]

GAZA FFS

What happened to (HART) Halt All Racist Tours champions of the underdog etc - Gaza is a human travesty and nobody gives a fuck!

[T.W.R]

brought it up as thats a possible flight that follows a similar path.
I have no interst in the contrails sugarlite says he found suspicious.

I'm pointing out the fact that those flights conducted by that aviation company don't get anywhere near the altitude that contrails form at with their aircraft. There'd have to be highly unusual conditions if they did form from one of those planes whilst on their normal route.

You don't have to be an authority on everything that gets posted nor do you have to dispel something that someone says they saw just because they air a retort to when you quote them
I've seen contrails formed up from flights heading to Dunedin and Queenstown that have spread and lingered for hours after; some if they were at ground level would span quite a few kms in width. And it's all down to the prevailing winds at those altitudes and over here the fern effect caused by the alps has a big effect on what happens at 30,000+ ft up.

[Katman]

Gaza is a human travesty and nobody gives a fuck!

I care a great deal about the current situation there - but to be fair, it probably warrants it's own thread.