Calling all conspiracy theorists - do you believe in this one?

[husaberg]

I'm pointing out the fact that those flights conducted by that aviation company don't get anywhere near the altitude that contrails form at with their aircraft. There'd have to be highly unusual conditions if they did form from one of those planes whilst on their normal route.

Did you read Sugarlites original post? plus all the subsequent ones.
Getting him to give any information about what plane he said he seen is like pulling teeth.
I am well aware of the many multiple conditions that need to be before forming a contrail, which is why i ignored it completely.
Contrails have been arround since the early days of flight and are frankly no more intersting than a HQ holden making water in its exhaust at idle

[carbonhed]

Foehn dude... spelling nazi hat on.

[Katman]

I am well aware of the many multiple conditions that need to be before forming a contrail, which is why i ignored it completely.

Which is quite bizarre, considering the whole point of his post was the 'contrail' that formed behind the plane.

[T.W.R]

Foehn dude... spelling nazi hat on.

Given that I was drawing on memory of a 1hr class 36 odd years ago....a spelling faux pas is minimal....but at least you knew what was meant

Did you read Sugarlites original post? plus all the subsequent ones.
Getting him to give any information about what plane he said he seen is like pulling teeth.
I am well aware of the many multiple conditions that need to be before forming a contrail, which is why i ignored it completely.

Yeah I saw Sugi's original post on it and how you & TDL zeroed in on the non identification of the plane involved like it should have been precisely logged & recorded

But what I'm pointing out is directed at this post of yours below and the fact that the aircraft you've identified as the possible answer to what was seen actually. Though as you would've seen whilst digging up the specs of the plane in question the max ceiling altitude is only 23500ft and what I've been trying to point out the flight altitude is a long way shy of that figure too The fact is that both the plane's max ceiling altitude & the flight altitude are well short of the altitude where contrails are generally formed.

There'll be an explanation to what was seen but trying to lock it down to what it actually was is a bit OTT, just take it for what it is rather than getting into slinging match.....just accept a bit of conjecture that there was an aircraft doing something above & beyond what is the norm

You say i m talking absolute drivel when you claim to have seen a plane doing something you didn't understand, that you claimed would be most likely only be up to nefarious means.
Now that you have given, your location, trajectory of the flight and size of plane would it surprise you that Sounds air leaves Westport and flys north along the Coast to about Karamea in order to gain altitude and save fuel by doing it slowly, before it turns and flys to Wellington 5 times a week...........it departs Westport at 645 am. What do you think would be logical conclusion of what you seen. To a resonable person.
Is it still most likely to be Top secret Cloud seeding?

[husaberg]

Given that I was drawing on memory of a 1hr class 36 odd years ago....a spelling faux pas is minimal....but at least you knew what was meant



Yeah I saw Sugi's original post on it and how you & TDL zeroed in on the non identification of the plane involved like it should have been precisely logged & recorded

But what I'm pointing out is directed at this post of yours below and the fact that the aircraft you've identified as the possible answer to what was seen actually. Though as you would've seen whilst digging up the specs of the plane in question the max ceiling altitude is only 23500ft and what I've been trying to point out the flight altitude is a long way shy of that figure too The fact is that both the plane's max ceiling altitude & the flight altitude are well short of the altitude where contrails are generally formed.

There'll be an explanation to what was seen but trying to lock it down to what it actually was is a bit OTT, just take it for what it is rather than getting into slinging match.....just accept a bit of conjecture that there was an aircraft doing something above & beyond what is the norm

The plane that was "actually seen" thats up for Conjecture, Its almost like a UFO sighting no one else has came forward only Sugar.

Your part about ceilings would be relevent if mr Sugar had not flatly refused to give any indication at all thus far, of any possible altitude.

Maybe you should use your vast untaped knowledge and what tiny crumbs Sugar has finnally spilt out to find a plane that "fits in" with Sugars story then, go on....

PS foehn winds are for pussies
katabatic winds are where its at.
I guess the cloud seeder was flying over Greymouth as well........

[T.W.R]

The plane that was "actually seen" thats up for Conjecture, Its almost like a UFO sighting no one else has came forward only Sugar.

Your part about ceilings would be relevent if mr Sugar had not flatly refused to give any indication at all, of any possible altitude.
3/10 on your troll attempt
Which Just as piss poor as you pointing out a Cesna 208 was smaller than a P3.
when i clearly stated its size in relation to a P3. Which was amusing as my response was to sugar sugesting no the plane i seen was smaller than a P3
Maybe you should use your vast untaped knowledge to find a plane that "fits in" with Sugars story then, go on....

that's really fucking sad coming from you....just spoiling for a fight you shouldn't really hit the turps that heavy during the week if you can't be civil
Wasn't any trolling involved just pointing a few things out which you yourself quite happily do with high frequency...obviously though you don't like the boot being on the other foot. But oyu r wee explosion will deem a few posts will be discarded off to pink heaven

Good to see your on form with modifying your posts too

[husaberg]

that's really fucking sad coming from you....just spoiling for a fight you shouldn't really hit the turps that heavy during the week if you can't be civil
Wasn't any trolling involved just pointing a few things out which you yourself quite happily do with high frequency...obviously though you don't like the boot being on the other foot. But oyu r wee explosion will deem a few posts will be discarded off to pink heaven

Good to see your on form with modifying your posts too

I had just edited it out...
You were trolling. I am just a bit disapointed i bothered to feed you.

oyu r?

[sugilite:Me]

Did it look like this?

No, it did not look like that.

[sugilite:Me]

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131098498]

That is your idea of what i described.
When i can be arsed i will draw what i actually described.
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Before you ask, its called a spiral climb very common and very efficient

That is nothing like I described, as mentioned so painfully often, simple 180 turn and back the other way. Also, the plane was way higher than the alps, so it would not have needed to perform the maneuver you are describing. The plane did not appear to gain or lose any altitude the entire time I had it under observation. I seriously doubt it came from Westport.

The plane that was "actually seen" thats up for Conjecture, Its almost like a UFO sighting no one else has came forward only Sugar.

Your part about ceilings would be relevent if mr Sugar had not flatly refused to give any indication at all thus far, of any possible altitude.

Maybe you should use your vast untaped knowledge and what tiny crumbs Sugar has finnally spilt out to find a plane that "fits in" with Sugars story then, go on.....

OK, hands up all you kiwibikers that live between the sparsely populated Westport and Karamea who are reading this thread that saw what Sugilite saw?
WHAT - NO ONE? That proves it, Sugilite is making up stories

I have no idea how I'm supposed to know what altitude a unidentified plane is flying at. I'm not prepared to guess and if I did, you would most likely jump on my arse and ask me how could I possibly know! A lot higher than the Alps is all I can really say from my naked eye observation that I undertook just out of my own curiosity and was stupid enough to post about on KB. You know, your little pig tailed drawing really sums up so very well how you can look at someone elses very simple passage of writing and screw it around to support your own short sited hypothesis.
Seriously husaberg, how from a description of "I saw a plane go by, turn 180 degrees and go back from where it came do you get that pigtail turn and off on the trajectory you show? If it were to do that spiral you suggest, well the contrail would very clearly show that. Now you are attempting to intimate it is a UFO like sighting that I made up - which fits exactly with what I was saying that your modus operandi is to make people look loonier than what they may actually be to lend weight and support your own "flaky as" scenarios. Just desperate and kinda sad dude.

[Berries]

Tom Cruise was here a while back. I understand he left his fags in Queenstown so had to go back for them. Plane matches, date matches, tiki tour route matches. Sorted.


Next.

[TheDemonLord]

You should try making up your mind.

Or do you just like to hedge your bets?

Not at all - There's is a difference between something being technically possible and it actually being done.

Just cause it is possible doesn't mean you get to forgo the burden of proof for it actually occuring.

[Katman]

Not at all - There's is a difference between something being technically possible and it actually being done.

Just cause it is possible doesn't mean you get to forgo the burden of proof for it actually occuring.

Dude, stratospheric aerosol injection is real.

You should open your eyes.

[Katman]

And furthermore, the Pentagon's plan for full spectrum domination is real.

[T.W.R]

I had just edited it out...
You were trolling. I am just a bit disapointed i bothered to feed you.

oyu r?

shame I'd switched the comp off by the time you posted this

Ha 30mins after posting isn't a fucking edit I saw you make an appearance in the thread whilst I was replying as you do in the dumbfuck invisible mode....realistically what have you got to hide using that you're only one of a handful that think they're sneaking around unnoticed
As for a spelling error check your own posts sunshine....there's quite a consistent pattern of errors in yours....bit like mmm how do you spell Sterling...remember that
Or actually your fucking idea of what a garage is and what you think you know about the West Coast that was a hilarious PM, should actually air that to show how that peanut between your ears works.
One thing that should really be up for conjecture as another KBer was ridiculed for similar......but do you actually fucking ride a motorcycle? you post up plenty of bits n pieces which in reality aren't that hard to find on the net if you're really looking but as for actually pics of actually being on a motorcycle or riding in general you're a bit of a no show.
One or two others had you pegged pretty well and seeing how you've aired a bit of your true colours their opinions are quite well founded

[husaberg]

That is nothing like I described, as mentioned so painfully often, simple 180 turn and back the other way. Also, the plane was way higher than the alps, so it would not have needed to perform the maneuver you are describing. The plane did not appear to gain or lose any altitude the entire time I had it under observation. I seriously doubt it came from Westport.

As i have mentioned getting any information out of you to what you seen has taking about 10 pages thus so forgive a lack of understanding of what in your mind is clear.
What you do not realise is that you have considerabley expanaded your story in those 10 or so pages. Adding small detail on each occasion.

OK, hands up all you kiwibikers that live between the sparsely populated Westport and Karamea who are reading this thread that saw what Sugilite saw?
WHAT - NO ONE? That proves it, Sugilite is making up stories

I never said you made it up i suggested no one else had reported it.

I have no idea how I'm supposed to know what altitude a unidentified plane is flying at. I'm not prepared to guess and if I did, you would most likely jump on my arse and ask me how could I possibly know! A lot higher than the Alps is all I can really say from my naked eye observation that I undertook just out of my own curiosity and was stupid enough to post about on KB. You know, your little pig tailed drawing really sums up so very well how you can look at someone elses very simple passage of writing and screw it around to support your own short sited hypothesis.

Refer to the first part, see again you have added more detail. These details may be clear in your mind but you had not expressed them.

Seriously husaberg, how from a description of "I saw a plane go by, turn 180 degrees and go back from where it came do you get that pigtail turn and off on the trajectory you show? If it were to do that spiral you suggest, well the contrail would very clearly show that. Now you are attempting to intimate it is a UFO like sighting that I made up - which fits exactly with what I was saying that your modus operandi is to make people look loonier than what they may actually be to lend weight and support your own "flaky as" scenarios. Just desperate and kinda sad dude.

Refer to above.
But i have sincerely no interest in jumping on your ass or making you appear looney or paranoid.

Or actually your fucking idea of what a garage is and what you think you know about the West Coast that was a hilarious PM, should actually air that to show how that peanut between your ears works.
One thing that should really be up for conjecture as another KBer was ridiculed for similar......but do you actually fucking ride a motorcycle? you post up plenty of bits n pieces which in reality aren't that hard to find on the net if you're really looking but as for actually pics of actually being on a motorcycle or riding in general you're a bit of a no show.
One or two others had you pegged pretty well and seeing how you've aired a bit of your true colours their opinions are quite well founded

Let me see
Yes I have currently a Husaberg 501, CR500, RD350, CB350, KTM50, Lead 125. 54 FB falcon, 55 James Captain. All of them run other than the RD350.
Plus various other wrecks. Do i ride? yes but generally only the Husaberg.
I have posted pics of them all on KB l other than maybe the CB. But anyone with a long history in Cams will remember it as originally Being Bruce Wearing one.

As for the PMs would they be the ones where you tried to tell me where the as a local who has lived here pretty much all my life where the barber effects and doesn't.
or what areas flood prone and what have tornados or not.
I even politely tried to steer you clear of some of the higher crime areas.
If you wish to post them post them all, go for it, you have my express permission to do so.

Without trying to appear conceited, There would only be a select few people on the Coast that have been to more farms and tracks here than i have. Its a perk of my work.
Actually only can only think of two dairy farms and a couple of beef farms i have never been to out of the 1700 or so farms over here from Karamea to Franz.
I showed you the old garage service station solely as you said you suggested were interested in setting up a small business as you had stated previously you worked mechanical, i clearly said it had no house only a free holden.
I sincerely hope it all goes well for you, but i suspect as you believe you already know more about the place than one of the locals do, it might be a bit of a culture shock for you.