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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    I'm not sure that can be called new. Another board I watch mostly involves people who lived in Malaysia for years and the suicide/murder thing was one of the first possibilities mentioned. At the time I thought that was a bit hasty, but as further information has come to light about the fiight, it must be considered a possibility.

    Y'all may be familiar with the expression "running amok". Amok is a Malay word and it referred to the occasional situation whereby a villager took his parang (machete) and started hacking anybody he could get at until the villager was himself cut down. The thought was that the Malay pilot had found a more high tech method of amok. The argument was advanced that "it was in his genes".

    Seemed odd at the time and we'll probably never know, but it is starting to look as if that may be the case.
    That’s still a sidetrack issue from the main reality in the post 911 world that there was a freakin airliner on radar off its course and with transponder turned off. And all this in an area of high military tension plus heaps of western military in malacca straights on pirate duty... Let’s not forget there’s a war on in Afghanistan so USA prob had carrier battle group nearby in Indian Ocean....

    If he had run amok.... a slow 7 hour trip running out of fuel is a pretty lame way to die
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    As i have mentioned getting any information out of you to what you seen has taking about 10 pages thus so forgive a lack of understanding of what in your mind is clear.
    What you do not realise is that you have considerabley expanaded your story in those 10 or so pages. Adding small detail on each occasion.
    My posts have been so simple, so the term considerably is a bit much. For the record I have never seen a plane fly lower than the alps then perform the maneuver in your image.

    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    I never said you made it up i suggested no one else had reported it.
    Then, why mention "UFO Like"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Sure - I said:

    "If I were to TL;DR your views - you've got a suspicion of those 'in power', you subscribe to the over-population theory, you believe that there may be plans/tests/tech that has or is being trialed for some form of population control,"

    You agreed with that statement, yes?
    To a degree yes, though not suspicious of all people in power, that is a bit much! I do subscribe to shadowy figures having the real power, more so than the public figureheads a lot of people assume are in power. Not every country, or Government, but several yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    From where does the Suspicion of those 'in power' come from? Note - there's a difference between healthy skepticism and suspicion. From your other comments:
    From history, genocides, annexing countries, and many other atricoties still happening in the World today. Instigated by people of power. Again, just to head you off at the pass - not every person in power.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    From that - I see a degree of resentment against those who you see at the top of the totem pole - you don't seem to treat them with any benefit of doubt or with a degree of civility. You state your position that according to your world view, the only alternative is a serious reduction of life - that's an a priori position I don't agree with and I don't agree with that particular theory it's in relation to (especially with what seems to happen in regards to Birth/Death rates, after womens rights, eduction etc.).
    No, I do not resent people in power, or people of wealth by default as you seem to suggest I do. I do take the Worldwide view and you seem to take a very Western World view of things. I do not feel that humanity has changed that much, savagery bubbles just below the surface in all cultures just waiting for the right circumstances to boil over.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    As far as assumption of Guilt - you're effectively suggesting that those people in power are researching genocide.
    How about using a smaller blanket. Will some people with a considerable amount of power be looking at genocide to solve the issue? My opinion is yes. As mentioned I don't have the optimism you appear to have that humans have moved away from "We can solve this issue by killing people". As evidenced by the many, many wars going on all over the World to this very day. Some people in power just like to think and on occasion act on a much grander scale because they had the power and resources to do so - and I'm bloody sure that has not changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W.R View Post

    And just for a wee set you straight about winds as you're spouting plenty
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    nice one only not correct again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind
    A föhn or foehn (UK: /fɜːrn/[2][3], US: /feɪn/) is a type of dry, warm, down-slope wind that occurs in the lee (downwind side) of a mountain range.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind
    Not all downslope winds are katabatic. For instance, winds such as the föhn, chinook, and bergwind are rain shadow winds where air driven upslope on the windward side of a mountain range drops its moisture and descends leeward drier and warmer. Examples of true katabatic winds include the bora (or bura) in the Adriatic, the Bohemian Wind or Böhmwind in the Ore Mountains, the Santa Ana in southern California, the piteraq winds of Greenland, and the oroshi in Japan. Another example is "the Barber", an enhanced katabatic wind that blows over the town of Greymouth in New Zealand when there is a southeast flow over the South Island. "The Barber" has a local reputation for its coldness.
    https://www.britannica.com/science/katabatic-wind
    Katabatic wind, also called downslope wind, or gravity wind, wind that blows down a slope because of gravity. It occurs at night, when the highlands radiate heat and are cooled. The air in contact with these highlands is thus also cooled, and it becomes denser than the air at the same elevation but away from the slope; it therefore begins to flow downhill. This process is most pronounced in calm air because winds mix the air and prevent cold pockets from forming.
    When a katabatic wind is warmed by compression during its descent into denser air, it is called a foehn
    http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind
    1. Most widely used in mountain meteorology to denote a downslope flow driven by cooling at the slope surface during periods of light larger-scale winds; the nocturnal component of the along-slope wind systems.

      The surface cools a vertical column of the atmosphere starting at the slope surface and reaching perhaps 10–100 m deep. This column is colder than the column at equivalent levels over the valley or plain, resulting in a hydrostatic pressure excess over the slope relative to over the valley or plain. The horizontal pressure gradient, maximized at the slope surface, drives an acceleration directed away from the slope, or downslope. Although the pressure-gradient forcing is at its maximum at the slope, surface friction causes the peak in the katabatic wind speeds to occur above the surface, usually by a few meters to a few tens of meters. The depth of the downslope flow layer on simple slopes has been found to be 0.05 times the vertical drop from the top of the slope. Surface-wind speeds in mountain–valley katabatic flows are often 3–4 m s-1, but on long slopes, they have been found to exceed 8 m s-1. Slopes occur on many scales, and consequently katabatic flows also occur on many scales. At local scales katabatic winds are a component of mountain– valley wind systems. At scales ranging from the slopes of individual hills and mountains to the slopes of mountain ranges and massifs, katabatic flows represent the nocturnal component of mountain–plains wind systems. Besides diurnal-cycle effects, surface cooling can also result from cold surfaces such as ice and snow cover. Katabatic flows over such surfaces have been studied as glacier winds in valleys and as large-scale slope flows in Antarctica and Greenland. The large- scale katabatic wind blowing down the ice dome of the Antarctic continent has sometimes reached 50 m s-1 on the periphery of the continent. The persistence of the surface forcing and the great extent of the slopes on these great landmasses means that the flows are subject to Coriolis deflection, and thus they are not pure katabatic flows.
      See downslope wind, gravity wind, drainage wind.
    2. Occasionally used in a more general sense to describe cold air flowing down a slope or incline on any of a variety of scales, including phenomena such as the bora, in addition to thermally forced flows as described above.

      From its etymology, the term means simply "going down" or "descending," and thus could refer to any descending flow; some authors have further generalized it to include downslope flows such as the foehn or chinook even though they do not represent a flow of cold air. This concept has given rise to the expression katafront, which indicates flow down a sloped cold-frontal surface.
    http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Foehn
    Or föhn.) A warm, dry, downslope wind descending the lee side of the Alps as a result of synoptic-scale, cross-barrier flow over the mountain range.
    The winds are often strong and gusty, sometimes forming downslope windstorms as a result of mountain wave activity. The air in the near-surface flow originates at or above the main crest height of the Alpine barrier, and achieves its warmth and dryness as a result of adiabatic descent. The foehn often replaces a retreating cold air mass from a polar or arctic front, producing dramatic temperature rises that reach 10°C and occasionally even 20°C or more, sometimes in a matter of minutes. This is especially true of the south foehn, which blows from northern Italy, where the air is warm, to the north of the Alps (Austria, Germany, Switzerland), where the air is cooler and could be cold arctic air as just described. The north foehn, blowing from a cooler to a warmer region, produces less dramatic temperature changes. The air in the foehn, originating from the mid troposphere, is characteristically clean. Its warm temperatures rapidly melt (or sublimate) snow, sometimes producing flooding, and the extreme dryness can lead to dangerous fire weather conditions. The Alpine foehn has been extensively studied by European scientists, and it is recognized as the type wind for similar downslope winds, resulting from cross-barrier flow, in other parts of the world. In other mountain ranges the foehn has a variety of local names, including chinook in the Rocky Mountains in North America; zonda for a westerly foehn from the Argentine Andes; ljuka in Carthinia (northwestern Croatia); halny wiatr in Poland; austru in Romania; and favogn in Switzerland. A northeasterly foehn descending the Massif Central in France and extending over the Garonne Plain is locally called aspre. A dry wind from the northwest descending the coastal hills in Majorca is named the sky sweeper. In New Zealand a foehn blowing from the New Zealand Alps onto the Canterbury Plains is the Canterbury northwester. A cross- barrier flow that produces strong winds and cooling is called a bora in many parts of the world. Many authors have attempted to classify strong wind events as foehn (or chinook) or bora, for example, for climatologies. These studies have had mixed success: Many wind events are easy to classify, but a number of events are difficult, depending on the data available (most studies attempt to use surface data) and the method used to differentiate between the two types of events.
    See foehn phase, high foehn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    My posts have been so simple, so the term considerably is a bit much. For the record I have never seen a plane fly lower than the alps then perform the maneuver in your image.
    A C17 From the RAAF are doing maneuvers on the Coast this week.
    they are about 50mx50m
    They are doing Missed approach "landings" navigational vectors.
    Personally i have seen C130s on more than one occasion flying under 100Ft whist terrain flying at Haupiri.


    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Then, why mention "UFO Like"?
    Unidentified flying object.....Unless you can name the plane type?
    Is that not what it is?





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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Yap Yap the bloody Jack Russell is on the job again.....usually a swift kick in the ribs or a 36 grain behind the ear fixes the problem

    fuck you really are sad quoting wiki over a proper meteorological site

    You really are starting to remind me of a demented real life Sheldon Cooper with a dose of being an attention whore

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W.R View Post
    Yap Yap the bloody Jack Russell is on the job again.....usually a swift kick in the ribs or a 36 grain behind the ear fixes the problem

    fuck you really are sad quoting wiki over a proper meteorological site

    You really are starting to remind me of a demented real life Sheldon Cooper with a dose of being an attention whore
    Act as you wish You are still incorrect.
    What is funny is you are the one going on how i are wrong but you are the one who is still clearly incorrect
    But feel free to take it up wth these guys.
    Elvidge, Andrew D.; Renfrew, Ian A. (14 May 2015). "The Causes of Foehn Warming in the Lee of Mountains". Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. 97 (3): 455–466.
    McKnight, TL & Hess, Darrel (2000). Katabatic Winds. In Physical Geography: A Landscape Appreciation, pp. 131–2. Upper Saddle River, NJ: Prentice Hall. ISBN 0-13-020263-0
    Or the American metrological society......
    http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind
    What you are trying to prove is a coruption of what the correct terms are ie a considerably dumbed down version for Well.....
    Some broader definitions of katabatic treat the word as describing any wind flowing toward a lower elevation. In that case, foehn winds would be a class of katabatic wind, and the katabatic wind I just described would be considered a small slope flow or part of a mountain-valley circulation. These circulations usually involve anabatic flows during the daytime, when solar heating of the surface, and thereby air in contact with the surface, results in air with a lower density and pressure than surrounding air, which then flows upslope, the opposite process from that producing localized katabatic flows.
    But it is as described not the correct term. only a broad generalisation.
    But if you feel some incorrect dumbed down broad generalization is correct rather than the correct term yeah fine go for it....



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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W.R View Post
    Yap Yap the bloody Jack Russell is on the job again.....usually a swift kick in the ribs or a 36 grain behind the ear fixes the problem

    fuck you really are sad quoting wiki over a proper meteorological site

    You really are starting to remind me of a demented real life Sheldon Cooper with a dose of being an attention whore
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    8 . 9 .10 - OUT - - - T.W.R


    Quite over him now though seeing the last post of his and taking notice of the stream of make himself feel good posts later yesterday he must have spent the afternoon licking his balls on the porch like most Jack Russells do when after they think they've done well.

    Though he's wasted on this site as he's pretty much an Oracle on anything that pops up and loves making himself looks squeaky clean along the way.
    Isn't really the case though as he'll hate seeing this and in reality it should've been brought to the Mods attention at the time though I'm sure the recipient most likely did; Intentional and inappropriate misuse of the rep system is a site no no, others have tried it and been reprimanded for doing so.
    The thread were he had a ding-dong with Crasher is interesting too

    Seeing it's a conspiracy thread...it's worthwhile seeing the attempt at trying to get people to conspire with him to intentionally attack another member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    To a degree yes, though not suspicious of all people in power, that is a bit much! I do subscribe to shadowy figures having the real power, more so than the public figureheads a lot of people assume are in power. Not every country, or Government, but several yes.
    Okay, so now we are really getting into the Nuance - Where do you draw the line? i.e. what is it about one person in Power that rises your suspicion, that doesn't for another.

    Secondly, with the Shadowy Figures theory - Why do you think that? I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm not saying it's right, but If you'll allow a spot of conjecture - I've observed that there is a line of thinking common with people who subscribe to that view - it's something like this:

    Bad things don't seem to effect certain groups of people > Good things seem to disproportionately effect those same groups of people > This happens repeatedly and across time > There must be a causal link > Since they aren't effecting by the negative, they must have either known or actively caused it and protected themselves > They must have done this in order to disproportionately reap the benefits of the good things > The only way to do these things is to be the ones who are actively controlling society at a wider level > They must be really the ones in charge.

    I should also clarify that the resentment I spoke of, is contained within that series of extrapolations.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    From history, genocides, annexing countries, and many other atricoties still happening in the World today. Instigated by people of power. Again, just to head you off at the pass - not every person in power.
    Fair comments - but I'd counter, it's not Power that's the issue. It's faith/Belief - whether that's of the Religious kind, the Ideological kind etc. If you want a good person to do evil things, you've got make them believe they are doing the right thing.

    I'm suspicious of Faith for that reason, I'm not suspicious of Power, in of itself - although I am skeptical of those who crave power.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    No, I do not resent people in power, or people of wealth by default as you seem to suggest I do. I do take the Worldwide view and you seem to take a very Western World view of things. I do not feel that humanity has changed that much, savagery bubbles just below the surface in all cultures just waiting for the right circumstances to boil over.
    See above for my conjecture as to why I think you do harbor a degree of resentment, I don't think one can subscribe to such theories without it, as it is an integral part of the chain of reasoning that forms such a theory. However - if you'd like to outline what your reasoning is for subscribing to said theory - I'm happy to discuss and even retract that comment.

    I agree about Savagery being ever-present, but I also look to a series of philosophical changes that have been unique to the Western world, in regards to the sovereignty of the Individual. I neither think they came about by Chance nor are they fleeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    How about using a smaller blanket. Will some people with a considerable amount of power be looking at genocide to solve the issue? My opinion is yes.
    That's still a huge assumption of guilt, given what you are hypothetically accusing them of. And it's not like we are talking about an off-the-cuff remark either.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    As mentioned I don't have the optimism you appear to have that humans have moved away from "We can solve this issue by killing people". As evidenced by the many, many wars going on all over the World to this very day. Some people in power just like to think and on occasion act on a much grander scale because they had the power and resources to do so - and I'm bloody sure that has not changed.
    Killing is always an option, always has been, always will be. I'm not disputing that fact, I'm disputing that it is being planned for in the way you suggest.

    If we got to a position where such a scenario was more likely, there are a myriad of options before we look at Genocide - Migration for starters (such as to Mars), recycling and efficiency technologies.

    And best of all - most of those options have the possibility of being very profitable and lucrative - as I said - I trust their self interest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Okay, so now we are really getting into the Nuance - Where do you draw the line? i.e. what is it about one person in Power that rises your suspicion, that doesn't for another.

    Secondly, with the Shadowy Figures theory - Why do you think that? I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm not saying it's right, but If you'll allow a spot of conjecture - I've observed that there is a line of thinking common with people who subscribe to that view - it's something like this:

    Bad things don't seem to effect certain groups of people > Good things seem to disproportionately effect those same groups of people > This happens repeatedly and across time > There must be a causal link > Since they aren't effecting by the negative, they must have either known or actively caused it and protected themselves > They must have done this in order to disproportionately reap the benefits of the good things > The only way to do these things is to be the ones who are actively controlling society at a wider level > They must be really the ones in charge.

    I should also clarify that the resentment I spoke of, is contained within that series of extrapolations.
    OK, well I don't have a line, I guess it would depend on specific circumstances, and only when proven later in history. Ongoing and happening right now - how could I possibly draw a line when I do not know what is happening? You are asking me how long the proverbial piece of sting is? Maybe ask yourself the same question and you might feel the way I do lol It has been proven that people in position of power have instigated genocide as a "solution" to a perceived problem. I.e Hitler and the holocaust. So From what I can make out Hitler = bad, Queen of England, seems ok, Trump - Mad, bad, good, just plain ignorant? Don't know yet, could even be a combo.

    I definitely do not think along the lines of your conjecture - not one bit. Good and bad things can happen to good and bad people, some are just in the slip stream of circumstance. Can some influence outcomes, well some would certainly have power to influence an outcome. Do all in power do that? No, Who does it? How could I possibly know with all the disinformation and conflicting information out there? Is this something you consciously do demonlord? Ask people questions that are near impossible to give accurate answers to? Because you do seem to do it an awful lot.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Fair comments - but I'd counter, it's not Power that's the issue. It's faith/Belief - whether that's of the Religious kind, the Ideological kind etc. If you want a good person to do evil things, you've got make them believe they are doing the right thing.

    I'm suspicious of Faith for that reason, I'm not suspicious of Power, in of itself - although I am skeptical of those who crave power.
    Fair comments back at you, however I would counter that it is people in power who's faith/belief shapes a nation more so than the plebs - naturally when enough plebs have it, they can over throw a person of power. Generally people who crave power are the least qualified to wield it - So we are in the same boat there, I think lol


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I agree about Savagery being ever-present, but I also look to a series of philosophical changes that have been unique to the Western world, in regards to the sovereignty of the Individual. I neither think they came about by Chance nor are they fleeting.
    OK, so lets say there is a natural or man made catastrophic disaster in any cultured western world you care to choose, like a fucking huge nuke, or meteorite - boom no food left except what is in the stores, those philosophical changes will go "poof" and be replaced by savagery to survive - absolutely.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    That's still a huge assumption of guilt, given what you are hypothetically accusing them of. And it's not like we are talking about an off-the-cuff remark either.

    Killing is always an option, always has been, always will be. I'm not disputing that fact, I'm disputing that it is being planned for in the way you suggest.

    If we got to a position where such a scenario was more likely, there are a myriad of options before we look at Genocide - Migration for starters (such as to Mars), recycling and efficiency technologies.

    And best of all - most of those options have the possibility of being very profitable and lucrative - as I said - I trust their self interest...
    I think we need to agree to disagree here, going around in circles now. I feel there are definitely people contemplating genocide as a solution to over population. I agree their will also be people looking strongly to the solutions you mention - absolutely. Both lines of thinking will co-exist. I guess I should give a localized rather than worldwide example (as worldwide is impossible to substantiate right now). Lets say a certain leader who had the means to engineer a virus/antidote, that was the leader of a large religion/nation whose people are seriously pushed for resources such as good water, lands suitable for agriculture due to overpopulation - who also thinks their invisible friend is just the bestest and those other religions need to be exterminated for having the gumption for believing in their imaginary friend. Would they not be thinking considering genocide as a solution? Would you trust that leaders self interest to save the day and do the right thing?

    At a worldwide level of overpopulation, reading what you are writing, all you say seems to have a very western slant on it. People in power of countries with a heavy religious slant may not share your rich and powerful peoples self interest? I do not think these countries will necessarily be looking at going to mars and implementing strong recycling options to save the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    OK, well I don't have a line, I guess it would depend on specific circumstances, and only when proven later in history. Ongoing and happening right now - how could I possibly draw a line when I do not know what is happening? You are asking me how long the proverbial piece of sting is? Maybe ask yourself the same question and you might feel the way I do lol It has been proven that people in position of power have instigated genocide as a "solution" to a perceived problem. I.e Hitler and the holocaust. So From what I can make out Hitler = bad, Queen of England, seems ok, Trump - Mad, bad, good, just plain ignorant? Don't know yet, could even be a combo.
    It's a fair challenge - I'd start by when a person in power starts to infringe on what I can think or on the value of the individual (when they hold different sets of value for different peoples).

    All the despots I can think of - violated one or both of those caveats. I'm not sure that it encompasses the entirety of the issue - and I'm certain that if we get to the point where they are doing the above, we've probably passed the point of no return.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    I definitely do not think along the lines of your conjecture - not one bit. Good and bad things can happen to good and bad people, some are just in the slip stream of circumstance. Can some influence outcomes, well some would certainly have power to influence an outcome. Do all in power do that? No, Who does it? How could I possibly know with all the disinformation and conflicting information out there?
    That last part for me is the issue - I'm happy to entertain a possibility and leave it open as possibility. Just because it's a possibility, doesn't mean that one can put it forward as reality without meeting a burden of proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Is this something you consciously do demonlord? Ask people questions that are near impossible to give accurate answers to? Because you do seem to do it an awful lot.
    Absolutely - those questions are the most interesting ones to ask. And even more interesting to Answer.

    And more importantly - you said near impossible - Imagine what might happen if we did answer them?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Fair comments back at you, however I would counter that it is people in power who's faith/belief shapes a nation more so than the plebs - naturally when enough plebs have it, they can over throw a person of power. Generally people who crave power are the least qualified to wield it - So we are in the same boat there, I think lol
    Yay! We agree on the last part. Just a quick thought on the first part - Some have conjectured it's the other way around - That the leader gives voice to what the crowd is subconsciously thinking. I'm not sure if you consider that to be shaping it otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    OK, so lets say there is a natural or man made catastrophic disaster in any cultured western world you care to choose, like a fucking huge nuke, or meteorite - boom no food left except what is in the stores, those philosophical changes will go "poof" and be replaced by savagery to survive - absolutely.
    Woah! That's a thought experiment and a half - on the one hand you've got Mad Max esque survival - the law of the Strong, kill or be killed. In the short term, that's possible and I should concede - probably likely. But it's only ever a short term solution - History shows that Co-operation is much more effective - first the Family, then the Tribe, then the Village, Then the County, Then the Nation. Those Philosophical changes IMO are part of what allow us, Diverse as we are, to exist in a state of quasi-mutual co-operation. I think in such an event, enough people will survive that will remember that fact (whether that is consciously or subconsciously).

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    I think we need to agree to disagree here, going around in circles now. I feel there are definitely people contemplating genocide as a solution to over population. I agree their will also be people looking strongly to the solutions you mention - absolutely. Both lines of thinking will co-exist.
    Okay, fair points - I've stated what I object to in that statement.

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    I guess I should give a localized rather than worldwide example (as worldwide is impossible to substantiate right now). Lets say a certain leader who had the means to engineer a virus/antidote, that was the leader of a large religion/nation whose people are seriously pushed for resources such as good water, lands suitable for agriculture due to overpopulation - who also thinks their invisible friend is just the bestest and those other religions need to be exterminated for having the gumption for believing in their imaginary friend. Would they not be thinking considering genocide as a solution? Would you trust that leaders self interest to save the day and do the right thing?
    Well, I said I'm suspicious of Faith - for the exact reasons you've stated above. To me, an invisible friend is not a rational position - I don't expect irrational people to act rationally.

    However, compare to a Business magnate - it's irrational to kill off an entire potential customer base.

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    At a worldwide level of overpopulation, reading what you are writing, all you say seems to have a very western slant on it. People in power of countries with a heavy religious slant may not share your rich and powerful peoples self interest? I do not think these countries will necessarily be looking at going to mars and implementing strong recycling options to save the day.
    Fair enough - if we are talking about Religious thinking, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish - one that can surpass 1,000+ pages. As a final response to that - those countries with heavy religious slants IMO tend not to do so well in the long run - and I think this is related to religious dogmatic thinking - if you train a generation of people to deliberately not think on some subjects - they learn (subconsciously) to wall up certain avenues of Inquiry. This ultimately leads to philosophical stagnation.

    Case in point - Ibn al-Haytham and the Golden age of Islam - when Arabia was arguably the forfront of the most cutting edge thought and ideas. Then they descended into Dogma.
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