Calling all conspiracy theorists - do you believe in this one?

[TheDemonLord]

Fixed it for you. We can’t have Captain Spastic thinking he’s at the top of that or any other heap now, can we? Besides, I’m pretty sure the top spot holder would end up rather aerated should he find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. Worst TDL would have to fear is probably being pissed on and left on the side of a highway somewhere to fit his own wheel.

If only we had a way to gauge what certain members "reputation" was on this site....

If only...

And considering that compared the members above me (pages 1 and half of page 2 respectively) I've had a significantly shorter amount of time to accrue Rep, and despite Katman, Ellipsis and your efforts - I think Page 2 isn't a bad effort.

[Katman]

I think Page 2 isn't a bad effort.

That post would be hilarious - if it weren't so tragic.

[Graystone]

And? Your point being?





But you presume that the "Others" are moral? What if they aren't? I've got some lovely bits of history as to what happens when the "Moral Majority" are distinctly Amoral.



What an Excellent question!

And as such deserves a good answer - So I'll give you 3:

Firstly at the personality level - Being an "insufferable Cunt" - this is related to a trait called Disagreeability. And being Disagreeable is a predictor for long term success. An "insufferable Cunt" knows what they want and how they are going to get it. They are also quite prepared to take the fight (whether metaphorically or in reality) to achieve what they want to do. "insufferable Cunts" won't back down or be intimidated into going along with an idea or ideal.

Why do you think that people have this trait? Afterall, we are a social species and if the underpinnings of your premise was correct, that trait would have died an evolutionary death millenia ago - except it hasn't - it's persistence shows that at some level it's useful.

Secondly at the corporate level - Linus Torvald is widely know, by his own admission, to being an "insufferable Cunt", Has he done anything for society? What about Vince Macmahon? Donald Trump? Bill Gates?

All of these people have done something for Society - you might disagree on whether what they've done is positive or negative, but all of them are well known for being massively disagreeable or as you put it "insufferable Cunts" - and all of them have achieved a level of greatness and irrevocably impacted on Society.

Finally to answer in the context of my work - I've done shitloads that was as you say "only possible by you being such a insufferable cunt" - Mainly in relation to technical projects where something was being done that was retarded or something that needed to be done wasn't being done.

- Getting the company to purchase a payed Spam Filtering solution
- Getting the company to decommission an old at-risk Exchange server
- Undertaking the single biggest migration and disruption of service for customers to move them from a platform that ran 4 different versions of OS and 3 different versions of Control Panel onto a platform that was running the same OS and Control Panel (something along the lines of about 5000 unique Sites/Services)
- Decomissioning a Windows 2000 web server that was holding CC information in plain text, with insecure passwords

That's all in just the last 6 months - The last one is particularly relevant on your definition of Society - That box had zero-day exploits that it was vulnerable to and that were known in the wild (it was windows 2000 FFS) - it's a miracle that it wasn't compromised and had all that CC information stolen.

All of those projects as an FYI had been kicking around the company for years (in some case 5+ years) and various people had tried and failed to get enough traction to get them completed. They needed as you said an "insufferable Cunt" to get them going and to stick with it.

So there's your answer(s).



I don't know what to make of them at the moment - it seems to me that there is some serious resentment and entitlement issues with them, it also seems to me that there is a grievance of sorts that has a tiny nugget of legitimacy - but I'm not sure where the legitimacy stops and the entitlement begins. There's something to say about people who have been rejected absolutely by society - but I'm not sure as to what came first - was it self-entitlement bred rejection or that the rejection bred self-entitlement?

I'm also not sure on the hypothetical situation - assume for the moment you have a group of anti-social, resentful, angry and manipulative young men banding together - I'm sure you would agree that the potential for destruction there isn't to be scoffed at, and that it's a serious problem.

How do you deal to the serious problem? Do you tighten societal pressure upon them, in the hopes that they will fall in line? I'm not sure that will work, if anything I think it will achieve the opposite effect.
Or do you pay the hypothetical blood money - and enable them to get laid?

At face value, putting the cost of sex against the cost of mayhem they could unleash seems like a no-brainer, but then - do we break our principles and forgo the rights of a few for the good of the society? That path leads to absolute tyranny, and I'll have none of that. Do we also decide that it's acceptable to negotiate with Terrorists? As that is effectively what they propose.

So yes - I'm not sure what to make of them. The one thing I will say that I think I'm sure on - treating them with derision won't make the problem any better.

All of those things could be done by a normal person, in fact, if you were not such a person self described as above, you could probably present the cases for those ideas more rationally and get uptake that way. I manage a team of IT type people, ensuring disagreability (which is high in that industry) is kept rational and constructive (ie, no insufferable cunts) has really helped the team's and company's expertise grow.

Won't it? we treat other bigotry and sexism with derision, and it is on the decline.

[TheDemonLord]

All of those things could be done by a normal person, in fact, if you were not such a person self described as above, you could probably present the cases for those ideas more rationally and get uptake that way. I manage a team of IT type people, ensuring disagreability (which is high in that industry) is kept rational and constructive (ie, no insufferable cunts) has really helped the team's and company's expertise grow.

There's one key problem with that statement - whilst they could be done by a normal person, the fact is that they weren't. And the time frame for at least 3 of them was one of 3-5 years, so it's not like multiple other people didn't have a crack at it.

I can agree with the rational and constructive part - right up until that doesn't work, that's when being an "insufferable cunt" really helps.

Why do you think Disagreeability is so high in said industry?

Won't it? we treat other bigotry and sexism with derision, and it is on the decline.

Are you sure that's a good solution?

You've got people who are bitter at the world and you want the world to mock them - Do you know what people who are in that situation do? Some of them will just commit suicide and be done with it.

But there's a certain sub-group, who will refuse to go quietly - they want to inflict upon the world, the same misery that they feel the world has inflicted upon them. They are often quite smart and find clever ways to inflict said misery.

I think those that blindly scoff at the Incels are not only not helping the issue, but may be inflaming the issue.

But as I said, although I think somewhere in their rantings there may be some form or part of legitimate grievance, I don't know where it is - and I agree with you that there is some major issues with them.

[Graystone]

There's one key problem with that statement - whilst they could be done by a normal person, the fact is that they weren't. And the time frame for at least 3 of them was one of 3-5 years, so it's not like multiple other people didn't have a crack at it.

I can agree with the rational and constructive part - right up until that doesn't work, that's when being an "insufferable cunt" really helps.

Why do you think Disagreeability is so high in said industry?



Are you sure that's a good solution?

You've got people who are bitter at the world and you want the world to mock them - Do you know what people who are in that situation do? Some of them will just commit suicide and be done with it.

But there's a certain sub-group, who will refuse to go quietly - they want to inflict upon the world, the same misery that they feel the world has inflicted upon them. They are often quite smart and find clever ways to inflict said misery.

I think those that blindly scoff at the Incels are not only not helping the issue, but may be inflaming the issue.

But as I said, although I think somewhere in their rantings there may be some form or part of legitimate grievance, I don't know where it is - and I agree with you that there is some major issues with them.

That's a question of motivation then, correlation does not imply causation. If rational/constructive isn't working, trying anything else is just a cop out.

You think Incels have a legitmate greivance? Are you serious? It's a hate group that people choose to be a part of. We should no more tolerate and legitimise that than any other hate groups, terrorists, etc.

[TheDemonLord]

That's a question of motivation then, correlation does not imply causation. If rational/constructive isn't working, trying anything else is just a cop out.

You can interpret it however you wish, but I can assure you - several of those that attempted to solve the issues before me were motivated. That wasn't what was required. When certain managerial types got cold feet and wanted to pull the plug on the projects - others kowtowed, I did not, because as you say: I'm an Insufferable Cunt (who just so happens to get shit done).

You think Incels have a legitmate greivance? Are you serious? It's a hate group that people choose to be a part of. We should no more tolerate and legitimise that than any other hate groups, terrorists, etc.

re-read what I wrote. I never said they HAVE a legitimate grievance. I deliberately included Nuance with what I said.

If you'll allow a bit of devil's advocate for a moment - even a Terrorist group has a legitimate grievance. That does not justify the methods used to put forward said grievance.

But back to what I said - I'm not sure about them. I've agreed they are angry and hate the world, I'm just not sure why.

It seems unlikely to me, that such a group would exist without some form of shared, common locus. At face value - that locus is the inability to get laid, problem is - that's been an issue for various groups of young men throughout time.

Yet this is the first time we've seen such a group form - we didn't see it with the so-called Nerds of the 1970s and 80s or other socially awkward groups for a given generation. So it seems that there is something unique within the last 10 or so years that has caused something deeper. I've got a couple of ideas of possibilities - but I'm simply not sure.

[Viking01]

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...t-frustration/

[TheDemonLord]

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...t-frustration/

[Graystone]

You can interpret it however you wish, but I can assure you - several of those that attempted to solve the issues before me were motivated. That wasn't what was required. When certain managerial types got cold feet and wanted to pull the plug on the projects - others kowtowed, I did not, because as you say: I'm an Insufferable Cunt (who just so happens to get shit done).



re-read what I wrote. I never said they HAVE a legitimate grievance. I deliberately included Nuance with what I said.

If you'll allow a bit of devil's advocate for a moment - even a Terrorist group has a legitimate grievance. That does not justify the methods used to put forward said grievance.

But back to what I said - I'm not sure about them. I've agreed they are angry and hate the world, I'm just not sure why.

It seems unlikely to me, that such a group would exist without some form of shared, common locus. At face value - that locus is the inability to get laid, problem is - that's been an issue for various groups of young men throughout time.

Yet this is the first time we've seen such a group form - we didn't see it with the so-called Nerds of the 1970s and 80s or other socially awkward groups for a given generation. So it seems that there is something unique within the last 10 or so years that has caused something deeper. I've got a couple of ideas of possibilities - but I'm simply not sure.

Correlation still isn't causation, there is no 'insufferable cunt' trait that is directly linked to getting shit done.

The inference was there...
The internet is likely the common locus, whereby such individuals can connect with others to form such hate groups in echo chambers which would never have been possible elsewhere due to the derision they would get just from trying that shit.

[Katman]

Correlation still isn't causation, there is no 'insufferable cunt' trait that is directly linked to getting shit done.

The inference was there...
The internet is likely the common locus, whereby such individuals can connect with others to form such hate groups in echo chambers which would never have been possible elsewhere due to the derision they would get just from trying that shit.

Dude, if you're really trying to pass yourself off as someone else you really shouldn't continue to sound exactly like bogan.

[husaberg]

Dude, if you're really trying to pass yourself off as someone else you really shouldn't continue to sound exactly like bogan.

Yes Cassina.........

Seems to be too many riders going and spoiling those rides by going and getting themselves killed though.
I'd rather see this site make an attempt to address a problem and run the risk of not getting it absolutely right than simply burying it's head in the sand. Perhaps BRONZ should take note.

(Having said all that, I think this Group Ride Guide is spot on).

A significant percentage of group rides are still conducted in a manner that makes them indistinguishable from a road race.
So yes, trying to match the pace of others is a major contributor to crashes that occur on that type of group ride.

[Graystone]

Dude, if you're really trying to pass yourself off as someone else you really shouldn't continue to sound exactly like bogan.

would a _{lower pitch} help?

Did you guys have a thing? He hasn't posted for nearly a year and you're still banging on about him...

[TheDemonLord]

Correlation still isn't causation, there is no 'insufferable cunt' trait that is directly linked to getting shit done.

As I said - feel free to re-interpret in ways that maintain your narrative. The reality is, I'm happy to have the shit-fight with upper-management (just as I'm happy to have shit-fights here). That was in many cases, exactly what the difference between me actually completing a project and someone else failing to complete it.

The inference was there...

It really wasn't. Maybe in your preferred interpretation, but certainly not in what I wrote.

The internet is likely the common locus, whereby such individuals can connect with others to form such hate groups in echo chambers which would never have been possible elsewhere due to the derision they would get just from trying that shit.

Interesting theory - but I don't think it's entirely right. I'm sure that the Internet has a hand in it, but Hate groups preceded the Internet. Possibly the rise of easy-access Internet Porn may have something to do with it. Neither of those however I think accounts for the absolute resentment, which makes me think there is something else.

[ellipsis]

...bye bye everyone...

[husaberg]

...bye bye everyone...

If it was steve it would be the Nsync one