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    We really don’t ride as much as we used to. There are a lot of reasons why that is but it just is what it is. Life is a complicated balancing act and you can’t always squeeze everything in.

    When we do get to ride we are usually riding 2 up. Sadly the ST1050 is not an ideal 2 up bike as the pillion seat is insanely high and it’s odd having a pendulum swinging about on the back of the bike LOL. We are half heatedly looking for a more suitable bike but frankly we are having way too much fun tramping and riding our mountain bikes to take it too seriously.

    Now we are riding less we have noticed that we are also a little less naturally able than we were. We are a little slower and much more cautious as well so I guess it balances out. The moment we don’t feel safe we will probably give it up or try another bike but for now, in answer to this thread. Yes, take time off and it does make you a bit rusty but I figure as long as you know this and ride accordingly until you get your eye in again its fine…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    However, just a thought... if you've put your bike's licence "on-hold" and then ride it like that and have an off, as has been pointed out already, ACC will sort you out. But what about your insurance - are you covered?
    Talk to your insurer.

    I specifically asked this question of my insurer and the reply was "DON'T rego your bike! It's a tax and doesn't affect anything. Make sure your W.o.F is valid though".






    Also:
    With all of the moaning over tricky Nick's Myth rego scheme when National was the government, what is the new government doing to remedy this?
    Where are the protests to get the new ACC minister to correct this situation? Eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray View Post
    Some really good comments (Cassina free). Nice to have a thread not disintegrating into a slugfest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    As others have said, good ideas and suggestions.

    Not riding as often as I'd like, for various reasons, when I do get on the bike can feel like a novice again, that "rusty feeling", so go for a wee pootle round the local residential streets, no carpark nearby that I'd want to use, and check things like braking and using the "1, 2, 3" approach that someone mentioned. Say, twenty minutes of really concentrating on observation and positioning on quiet streets, almost as a warm-up before the main event.


    However, just a thought... if you've put your bike's licence "on-hold" and then ride it like that and have an off, as has been pointed out already, ACC will sort you out. But what about your insurance - are you covered? If you damage your bike then you'll have to pay for that - tough. But what if you also damage someone's car? Hopefully their insurance will pay for that, but don't you leave yourself open to being sued by their insurance to recover their costs? Also, would you be ticketed by the police if they were called to the incident? I'm not prepared to put this to the test, so it's a hypothetical question on my part...
    My understanding, based off of outcomes occurring to people I know directly, is that in order for your insurance to turn their back, they have to show the issue actually contributed to an accident - e.g. not having a WOF doesn't mean a vehicle isnt road worthy. (also, HAVING a wof doesnt mean you are road worthy either).
    If you get T-boned by a drunk driver, while observing all the road rules, whether you have a WOF or not is completely irrelevant.

    Also worth noting that your insurance company's first response is not final, and you can, (and in my experience, in MOST cases you SHOULD) argue with them. Theyll try to offer as little as possible to get you to fuck off - make some noise and the cheque often has a few zeros added once they realise you arent going to be fucked around.

    gone a bit off topic now, oops!

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    this has been covered in another thread somewhere and i cant be f**ked looking for it but it is actually illegal for insurance to be denied solely on the basis of no current vehicle license or no current wof and even if the vehicle is not technically up to warrent standard if the faults did not contribute to the incident then they must be ignored also.

    as for the OP, its quite simple, understand your abilities on any given ride and ride within them, or don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    Is there actually any conclusive proof that 'born again' or 'returning' riders in that circumstance are higher represented in crashes than anyone else in crash stats? or is it just an assumption based on the average age of crashing riders being somewhere 40+?
    I wonder whether the term is actually valid these days. It made sense when it was someone who gave up their old BSA or Norton in the 70's and came back to an early GSXR1100 or Fireblade 20 years later and wrapped it around a tree. Someone who gave up their early GSXR1100 or Fireblade 20 years ago and is now getting back in to it is not going to be in for as a big a surprise if you ask me. Yes, things have progressed but not by as much.

    There are two reasons for this age group being involved if you ask me. First is the disposable income meaning some might be happy to drop +20K on a weekend toy, and only riding the occasional sunny weekend is not IMO going to give you the necessary skills and experience or time in the saddle to get you out of trouble when shit happens.

    I have forgotten what the other reason is, probably dementia. No, hang on, it is income related again. I have never considered a motorbike as being a cheap alternative to a car. Tyres are extortionate, chains are stupid, rego is ridiculous. Bike clothing all looks wank and helmets can cost more than a holiday. You could double it all and I would still ride because I am addicted. If I was 18 again however I would look at all those costs and go and buy a car. If you could somehow see the age of everyone riding I suspect that the profile would reflect crash involvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    It is interesting, the idea of putting the bike on hold for the winter months, and anecdotal evidence would suggest that the crashes start going up from November onwards until late March. But is that because there are just more riders out there, or because there's a few who aren't match fit?
    Looked at the data today and it does show crashes going up from November to a peak in March and then dropping down again. I would imagine that the reason for this is more people doing more miles. You could include the people I mentioned above but also all year riders. I rode in to work today, it was fucking freezing and I took more care because of it. On a warm December day I might just go the long way home, and might just ride that little bit harder than I should. Likely to take it out for a fang at the weekend in the summer as well, but not so much over winter. I would have to say that I am likely to expose myself to far more risk on a warm summers day than I would in the middle of winter.

    Not sure about this whole returning rider/match fit thing. It's not exactly rocket science is it? I would go so far as to say that it's a bit like riding a bike, it comes back to you fairly quickly. The senses may be numbed by being in a car for a while but you would still have been using them.

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    How are the ACC brackets calculated? I can only assume its based on likely hood of an accident? Higher CC = faster bike = crash.
    But what about the difference between an NSR250r and an MT-07? One LAMS one not. the 700cc pays more though.

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    A few articles that may help:

    Tips on Getting Back Into Motorcycle Riding After Winter


    Dodging The Dangers of the First Spring Ride
    - more for adventure riders


    What to Watch Out for On Your First Spring Motorcycle Ride



    8 Safety Tips for Returning Motorcycle Riders


    Yes, all with a North American flavour but they do have experience with the return after winter riders.

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    Moderator's Note

    Certain posts have been removed from here as the thread was clearly being derailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Certain posts have been removed from here as the thread was clearly being derailed.
    thank you for that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    A few articles that may help:

    Tips on Getting Back Into Motorcycle Riding After Winter


    Dodging The Dangers of the First Spring Ride
    - more for adventure riders


    What to Watch Out for On Your First Spring Motorcycle Ride



    8 Safety Tips for Returning Motorcycle Riders


    Yes, all with a North American flavour but they do have experience with the return after winter riders.
    brilliant -


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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Certain posts have been removed from here as the thread was clearly being derailed.
    That might explain why this thread actually makes some sense.

    I was a little challenged financially last year and didn’t pay rego for about 6 months. But I know others who ride their bike all year and only pay 3 months rego, even though they can afford it.

    It would be interesting to know how many bikes are registered in NZ, and how many months rego per bike is paid on average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray View Post
    Is 3-6 months off the bike enough to lose the touch??
    My personal experience, having had several stints of varying lengths away from riding during the course of over 25 years of riding motorbikes on the road:
    I generally that find within 10-15 minutes of getting back on a motorcycle, I'm back to my previous level of comfort and control on the bike.
    To borrow a phrase: It's like riding a bike...

    Your mileage may vary, as you said it takes you a month or so: That hasn't been my own experience. I find the muscle memory and mindset etc return very quickly.

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    Motorcycle licenses should expire every year, and need to be renewed with the ACC levy imposed at that time.

    That would increase the cost of having a motorcycle license to ~$650 a year, but the upshot would be multiple bikes in the garage without having to faff around with regos, and no increase even on the current costs if you owned just the one bike.

    Also, it would mean that the rider was paying ACC regardless of which bike they happened to be riding, including bikes they don't own themselves.

    But apparently that's too hard for reasons unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe View Post
    Motorcycle licenses should expire every year, and need to be renewed with the ACC levy imposed at that time.

    That would increase the cost of having a motorcycle license to ~$650 a year, but the upshot would be multiple bikes in the garage without having to faff around with regos, and no increase even on the current costs if you owned just the one bike.

    Also, it would mean that the rider was paying ACC regardless of which bike they happened to be riding, including bikes they don't own themselves.

    But apparently that's too hard for reasons unknown.
    yup, a comment like that can only come from some one with everything on their doorstep. For me and i dare say a lot of others there is the extra cost of having to travel to a main centre to sit license which means taking time off work which has a cost as well but it also means that those that put riding on hold for reasons beyond their control will end up losing their license and most likely not come back to riding if there was that extra cost of sitting a license from scratch again, why not look at ways of encouraging people in to riding and encouraging people to do rider training.
    the only way to get the cost of ACC down is to lower the cost to the system.
    people really need to get their heads out of the clouds

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    Quote Originally Posted by russd7 View Post
    yup, a comment like that can only come from some one with everything on their doorstep. For me and i dare say a lot of others there is the extra cost of having to travel to a main centre to sit license which means taking time off work which has a cost as well but it also means that those that put riding on hold for reasons beyond their control will end up losing their license and most likely not come back to riding if there was that extra cost of sitting a license from scratch again, why not look at ways of encouraging people in to riding and encouraging people to do rider training.
    the only way to get the cost of ACC down is to lower the cost to the system.
    people really need to get their heads out of the clouds
    I got the impression that he meant a fee each year for your licence to be valid, rather than a re-sit.

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