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    No Offence Intended

    A little bird sent me the following link. A few might find the spreadsheet
    at the bottom of the link to be of interest:

    http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/p...009-march-2018

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    Jesus that data is a mess. I'm going to spend some time reformatting it and make it a bit more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    Jesus that data is a mess. I'm going to spend some time reformatting it and make it a bit more useful.
    I agree on that. They seriously need a BI Analyst.


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    If anyone wants the data in a more useful format, here it is, flattened. I don't have time to spend any more of my day on it, so this only includes the number of offences, not the dollar values. I also haven't included fixed speed cameras because this data isn't consistent with the rest.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/17hj...ew?usp=sharing

    Pretty fucking irritating, though entirely predictable, to see just how disproportionately speed is used as enforcement on the roads. But it's easy, and NZ Police generally look for the easy way to do things, so this is to be expected.

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    This obsession by the NZ Police with speed makes me cringe so hard. The number of tickets issued for mobile phones, running red lights and even alcohol/drugs are insignificant compared with speed. Just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    Jesus that data is a mess. I'm going to spend some time reformatting it and make it a bit more useful.
    It's a lot of information, but it's valuable. It says a lot about Police priorities.

    If you have the time to trawl it, and the background knowledge to understand it, it tells an interesting tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    It's a lot of information, but it's valuable. It says a lot about Police priorities.

    If you have the time to trawl it, and the background knowledge to understand it, it tells an interesting tale.
    I dont have the skills, I dont have the time. However if you could enlighten us perhaps.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVboy View Post
    I dont have the skills, I dont have the time. However if you could enlighten us perhaps.....?
    Mike is nailing it, I'll leave it to him.

    I was interested in the data from Chch Central as it related to the set up and shut down of various sections in the traffic unit. Makes for interesting tracking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    If anyone wants the data in a more useful format, here it is, flattened. I don't have time to spend any more of my day on it, so this only includes the number of offences, not the dollar values.
    The dollar values are for salacious interest only.

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    Tidied up and flattened the data and included fixed speed cameras, file is available here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lzx...ew?usp=sharing

    I agree that dollar values aren't particularly useful for this type of analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    This obsession by the NZ Police with speed makes me cringe so hard. The number of tickets issued for mobile phones, running red lights and even alcohol/drugs are insignificant compared with speed. Just ridiculous.
    Especially when considered very few deaths are caused by "speeding"
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    Quick look at Mikes Data:

    Some things leap out of the screen.

    Alcohol-Canterbury OMG.

    Drugs- Canterbury

    Red lights- Auckland ( no surprises there)

    Seatbelts- probably too drugged up and pissed to care. Canterbury

    Speed Cameras- Auckland and Welly

    Mobile Speed Camera- Westies and Shoreites.

    Officer Speed- Waikato drivers are mooving.

    Officer Speed- Westys

    Mobile phones- Canterbury and Auckland, Westies being able to do it on the motorway.

    Some of the data is very consistently same provinces.

    Most values is interesting as a speed camera is going to pick up hundreds of vehicles 24/7 where as Drugs and Alcohol numbers are probably over a smaller time frame of weekends/nights and targeted.
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    Here's a quick chart suite which includes fixed and mobile cameras.

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    My take-aways from all this:

    • Police talk a big game about alcohol, but enforcement goes into the too-hard basket.
    • Either no one in this country is driving under the influence or drugs, or the police don't care. Either way, the probability of being stopped for it is near-zero.
    • Speed is overwhelmingly over-enforced compared with other dangerous activities.
    • Outside of speeding, you're more likely to be fined by causing a danger to yourself (seatbelts) than by causing a danger to others (mobile phones, running reds, drugs/alcohol).
    • I really don't see any good news spin at all in this data. It really does show how insanely myopic NZ police have become (or have always been).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    My take-aways from all this:

    • Police talk a big game about alcohol, but enforcement goes into the too-hard basket.
    • Either no one in this country is driving under the influence or drugs, or the police don't care. Either way, the probability of being stopped for it is near-zero.
    • Speed is overwhelmingly over-enforced compared with other dangerous activities.
    • Outside of speeding, you're more likely to be fined by causing a danger to yourself (seatbelts) than by causing a danger to others (mobile phones, running reds, drugs/alcohol).
    • I really don't see any good news spin at all in this data. It really does show how insanely myopic NZ police have become (or have always been).


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    In regard to alcohol, the charges are mostly dealt with by summons, not infringement.

    I think the figures are only infringements.

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