Tommy Robinson

[TheDemonLord]

i see he's made the news again ,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ming-pool.html

edit - i see on twitter this morning he was apparently trying to detain a guy who may have groped an 8 year old, not sure what side is true, but the daily mail is not known as the greatest place to get news, its just the usual British trash tabloid,

Not just an 8 Year old, his 8 year old Daughter. An 8 year old girl. It's not like one could claim 'oh I thought she was an Adult' (not that her age would make it acceptable)

Now, for added context - 3 grown Men, with no family or kids in tow go to a Family swimming pool, and one of them Grabs a little Girls Arse and admits it (and this was confirmed by the Police) - claiming it was 'a Mistake' - How do you accidentally squeeze someone's Ass?

How many of you wouldn't have knocked the fuck out of someone middle aged man who groped your daughters ass?

[sidecar bob]

How many of you wouldn't have knocked the fuck out of someone middle aged man who groped your daughters ass?

Im going to be a bit more wary next time im hanging with my father in law, now you mention that.

[husaberg]

[scott411]

Not just an 8 Year old, his 8 year old Daughter. An 8 year old girl. It's not like one could claim 'oh I thought she was an Adult' (not that her age would make it acceptable)

Now, for added context - 3 grown Men, with no family or kids in tow go to a Family swimming pool, and one of them Grabs a little Girls Arse and admits it (and this was confirmed by the Police) - claiming it was 'a Mistake' - How do you accidentally squeeze someone's Ass?

How many of you wouldn't have knocked the fuck out of someone middle aged man who groped your daughters ass?

I probably would as well, but this is typical, Tommy/Stephen might have the right ideas, but he goes about it the wrong way, the court debacle was the same, the suppression orders where there to protect other trials that were ongoing, , and make sure they all got done for the appalling acts,

smacking someone with his priors, is always going to get himself arrested,

[TheDemonLord]

I probably would as well, but this is typical, Tommy/Stephen might have the right ideas, but he goes about it the wrong way, the court debacle was the same, the suppression orders where there to protect other trials that were ongoing, , and make sure they all got done for the appalling acts,

smacking someone with his priors, is always going to get himself arrested,

I actually agree with his Arrest...

But...

The other guy should also have been arrested too.

And I think that considering what happened with underage girls in Rotherham, the Police have not done any favors here.

[TheDemonLord]

poisoning the well and Character assassination

Interesting Tweets, considering they are from 2 different Twitter handles. One of which is confirmed to be his account that was banned, what does that say about the other account?

And would those images be from the same Hope not Hate organization that was exposed as conspiring with the BBC to smear Tommy? So definitely no Agenda there....

[pritch]

Tommy/Stephen might have the right ideas, ,

Nah, this is a guy who had kiddie fiddlers as mates in his political party/gang. They were OK though, they were white.
It's the Muslims he doesn't like, they are the wrong colour.

Don't look for deep meanings, there aren't any.

[scott411]

I actually agree with his Arrest...

But...

The other guy should also have been arrested too.

And I think that considering what happened with underage girls in Rotherham, the Police have not done any favors here.

i have not seen any articles stating if the other guy was or not , but I agree with you,

[husaberg]

Nah, this is a guy who had kiddie fiddlers as mates in his political party/gang. They were OK though, they were white.
It's the Muslims he doesn't like, they are the wrong colour.

Don't look for deep meanings, there aren't any.

Or look for the truth from AKA

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8231231.html

[A “senior member” of the far-right English Defence League has been jailed for sexually abusing a schoolgirl dozens of times.
Leigh McMillan, 46, groomed his 10-year-old victim with cigarettes and drugs before subjecting her to a “spiral of sexual abuse” during the mid-1990s, jurors at the Old Bailey heard.
McMillan attacked the girl as she lay on her mother's bed and warned: “You mustn't tell your mum - she'd be really upset.”
He assaulted the youngster around 100 times over a five-year period, the court was told.

Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children.

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/...right-round-6/

former English Defence League (EDL) member Peter Gillett has been sentenced to no less than 18 years for a whole catalogue of sex crimes. His victims included two young girls and a boy.

Then there was Paul Whiteside, a senior member of the EDL who took pictures of a 15-year-old girl in the bath and helped her run away with him before being arrested by police. He was given a suspended sentence and 10-year sexual harm prevention order last year

Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault.

Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL Supporter: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse.
Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL Supporter: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers
Alan Boulter, EDL Supporter and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming.
John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom supporter: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack.
Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP supporter: 5 yrs, sexual assault.
Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming.
Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl.
Dale Hewitt, EDL supporter: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls.
Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old.
Elliot Jones, EDL supporter and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia.
Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL supporter: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old.
Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming.
Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman (above), EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old.
Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl.
Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

Nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.
the overall population of England and Wales 86% of people were white in 2011 (at the last census), 8% of the population was of Asian ethnicity, and 3% was black.

https://www.indy100.com/article/tomm...dl--WkNkU96gal

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/new-t...eared-9539861/

The Quilliam report observes that “Asian child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders represent 0.01% of the UK’s Asian population”
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...igure-is-right

When asked the victims of all the rapes and sexual assaults carried out in the UK if they had a preference to which nationality or religion or colour raped them
All the victims suggested they would just rather not be raped or sexually assaulted in the first place.

Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab. Of the groups who did target children based on a sexual interest in them (fewer than 20 people studied) all were white.

[TheDemonLord]

Appeal to other problems fallacy

However, let's take every single instance at face value - I count approximately 20 Children abused. Now, that is a travesty and should be absolutely condemned.

The problem with the comparison you are attempting to make is mult-faceted.

1: You can't point to the Ideology of the EDL that justifies these crimes, whereas the inverse is true.
2: For an organisation that peaked to around 180,000 members and a rate of Pedophilia in the general population of under 5%, to only be able to point to 21 instances would put the total number of convicted EDL members at way under the 'average'
3: All of these are single individuals acting on their own, not an entire organized gang carrying out systematic rape with the authorities turning a blind eye
4: 20 Victims for the entirety of the EDL vs (using the Guardian's number) 1,510 from just ONE grooming gang.

The attempt to conflate the 2 as being comparable is dishonest as fuck. But then in regards to this issue, I'd expect nothing less...

[onearmedbandit]

Now I'm quite happy to admit I know little personally of the matters at hand, I too like everyone else here have heard the headlines and read the stories. I've heard Tommy called all sorts of names. But I didn't care or have an opinion on the man. A friend (who is not racist in any form) who had spent 8yrs in the UK was talking about issues he had seen and suggested I watched this.

Now disclaimer time, I'm not stating one way or the other who is right or wrong. But I found this interesting to hear the stories first hand (yes with whatever slant he wants us to hear) behind the headlines.

[husaberg]

[Katman]

What the fuck has Rowan Atkinson got to do with Tommy Robinson?

[husaberg]

Rowan Atkinson actually went to Oxford rather than just "went to oxford"
Rowan, even though he is s performer, doesn't use a "stage name" or multiple alias's.
Rowan also doesn't have a long list of criminal convictions.
He also is far more entertaining and better spoken.
if you knew anything about the subject you would also know that Rowan has made a series of submissions dating back at least 15 years regarding racial and religious hate speech and Freedom of expression.



His make sense and are not this thinly disguised racial abuse and grandstanding like AKA's



https://web.archive.org/web/20110610...005-11670.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ach-other.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...to-offend.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4073997.stm

[Katman]

Rowan Atkinson actually went to Oxford rather than just "went to oxford"
Rowan, even though he is s performer, doesn't use a "stage name" or multiple alias's.
Rowan also doesn't have a long list of criminal convictions.
He also is far more entertaining and better spoken.
if you knew anything about the subject you would also know that Rowan has made a series of submissions dating back at least 15 years regarding racial and religious hate speech and Freedom of expression.
His make sense and are not this thinly disguised racial abuse and grandstanding like AKA's

So in other words, he has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson.