The story behind the uncovering of the scandal.
The story behind the uncovering of the scandal.
And here is the response of the Imam ...
By your reasoning he had every reason to join in the attacks on Osborne. He instead demonstrated that Islam is a religion of Peace (with a few actively violent crazies .. )Mohammed Mahmoud, an imam at the Muslim Welfare House, arrived moments later and was praised for stopping anybody attacking the suspect. “By God’s grace we managed to surround him and protect him from any harm,” Mahmoud said at a press conference on Monday afternoon. “We stopped all forms of attack and abuse towards him that were coming from every angle.”
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Well, I've seen it reported in the British press that it was Robinson's rantings that radicalised Darren Osborne. He who drove a van into people outside London's Finsbury Park mosque.
Which would tend to indicate that, as sunbed salesmen go, Robinson has the potential to be dangerous. And that's after allowing for the fact that sunbeds can cause cancer.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Katman, I was initially inclined not to read the clip you posted, too many of the clips in Rant and Rave are batshit crazy. That one is an exception. I particularly liked his reference to the corporate owned childcare houses that I mentioned here a while back. You can see why the corporate interest when they are paid something approaching half a million dollars a year to provide care for one kid. Especially when the "care" is almost non-existent.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
If my argument falls apart its because it was a argument based on your own silly example.
The bait and switch is you using convictions to say that the percentage of which a crime occurs.
Point one “British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators.
Point two In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified.
Point three researchers said their data’s sample size had been too small and more research needed to be conducted.
AKA quotes that are threats to a whole community that you seem to think are okay.
Every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defense League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.
Islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are.Despite platitudes to the contrary, AKA routinely fails to draw a distinction between Islamist extremists and ordinary Muslims. To see akas prejudiced homogenisation of all Muslims in sharp focus, one need look no further than his reaction to the arrival in Europe of refugees and migrants fleeing Islamic extremism in the Middle East. He has completely refused to draw a distinction between perpetrator and victim.
“I’d personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow if I could. Fake refugees,” he tweeted in early 2016.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
placeholder post for when I can collate all of Bandits and Husas points and respond
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I'll be honest and say that I'm going off the reports by UK civil liberties groups as to the violations of Womens rights by Sharia courts. I'd offer a mild rebuttal - if you look at Saudi Arabia - it's clear women don't own shit - as they require a male guardian for everything - I'll agree though that Islam is complex, however if I could draw a quick distinction - If you were to put an Ardent Catholic and Ardent protestant up against each other - they would both agree on the 10 commandments (which forms the basis of Judeo-christian law)
Well, no one's perfect - and interesting the cut-off date that Vox uses, I wonder why... However - we are predominantly talking about the UK and Europe - where most of the serious terrorist activity has a distinctly Islamic flavour.
From your link:
Now, indulge me for a moment - an approximated 100,000 people fully supporting a Terrorist act. That's quite a large number of individuals fully supporting Murder. That's like the entirety of Hamilton supporting Terrorism. Hell, even the KKK has a top estimate of 12,000 members - and that's in the US with a larger population than the UK.published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers
1 in 4 have some sympathies? I'll be quite blunt, I couldn't give a toss what their sympathies are nor how small they might be - There is no justification for Terrorism. Period. It's especially enraging because they are taking full advantage of the freedoms granted to them by our Western ideals, to have those sympathies towards those who would destroy the very civilisation that allows them to openly express them.
That's like giving a hi-5 to the person who Murdered the Doctor who just gave you a lifesaving operation.
Remember - Asian in a british sense refers to Indian and Pakistani descent - but see what I posted previously - 90% of those involved in Grooming Gangs are islamic - that's not a coincidence.
That's some interesting revisionist history, Now - I should point out that I don't read arabic - but in that passage - I believe there is something of a translation issue in what "right hand possesses" to mean - if you take for example:
Sunan of Abu Dawud, vol.2, #2150
Which describes good, old fashoned post-battle rape and pillage:
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/110Abu Sa’id Al Khudri said “The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allaah (ﷺ) were reluctant to have relations with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur’anic verse “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses.” This is to say that they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.
I believe there are other Hadiths that draw distinction between the rights granted to a believer and the lack of rights to unbelievers.
I remember that too - mainly due to the cynical debate around whether it was a true act of compassion or something more deceptive. I gave the Imam the benefit of any doubt.
I'm not so sure, again - for clarity sake, I'm not a Qu'rannic Scholar, but I understand that the later verses (when Mohammed had an army and was conquering) are somewhat more aggressive than the earlier verses.
There is also the practice of short-term marriages - which is basically a loophole to get around prostitution being illegal.
We also have to contend that within countries that practice Sharia, some of the protections granted to women against rape don't seem to exist (there's been quite a few instances of women being stoned to death as adulturers for being Raped), given what we know of Fatwas (islamic legal opinion) and how they differ from English Common Law precedent - I don't think you can say with certainty that the prohibitions exist as you describe them.
That's not the same type of crime that we are talking about... There's your bait and switch. It's deplorable for certain, but in almost all cases it's the work of one or two people - not an interconnected group of multiple people.
That inquiry was from 2012 - which is before most of the Grooming Gang cases were fully exposed.
Again - a bit of Context is needed here - FWIW - I happened to be in the UK when Lee Rigby was murdered (on my Honeymoon in fact) People were pissed off, Pissed off people aren't particularly cautious or nuanced in their words. I went through the working class neighbourhoods near where I grew up - Flags were everywhere in tribute. In that same neighbourhood - someone smashed up a mosque and desecrated the Qu'rans there.
I've said as many times that Tommys working class background means he speaks carelessly (although he is getting better at being more nuanced) - it's not okay to go after an entire community, but it is okay to go after a Religion that not only explicitly allows this, but promises a reward of 77 virgins in Heaven for doing so.
Edit edit: I think it's also right to talk a little bit about those working class neighbourhoods I mentioned - they are the home of the quintessential Chav - and whilst I could wax lyrical about tales of their antisocial disposition and their ability to be offensive to anyone and everyone - I can't recall any serious religious resentment - TBH I think the Sikhs got a harder time than the Muslims, simply on account of their Turbans - and even then - they weren't social pariahs - mainly because they upheld those bare minimum of british values that I referenced.
Which is what I think it's right to end on - for all the critical talk of Islam, If someone wants to believe in Allah, pray 5 times a day facing Mecca, undertake the Haj etc. etc. - I've got no problem with that, I'll also be sure not to offer them a Beer and Bacon Sammich - we'll get on like a house on fire.
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A nice little ditty on the subject of Islamic attitudes towards Kafirs
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
What a load of shit.
The root cause is that for years groups of Muslims got away with crimes that would have seen an Englishman imprisoned in a heartbeat - simply because they were groups of Muslims.
If you can't recognise that fact then you're fucking blind - at the very least.
I find myself wondering just how much of a useless fuck you'd be if a crime of this magnitude happened in New Zealand.
You watched a video that spelled the problem out in words of one syllable and yet you're still as fucking clueless as ever.
Well done you.
Not the book but it covers a fair bit of it.
https://issuu.com/iwishart/docs/investigate_june07/33
I wouldn't normally take much notice of wishart but seeing as t came from a book written by the actual detective which I have read.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Robinson was just a violent thug. Anti-social arseholes often adopt some "cause" in an attempt to legitimise their behaviour. If it wasn't muslims it'd be something else.
If you can upgrade your comprehension skills you will see that I do understand what went on in Rotherham, and have since it hit the news years ago. What happened there though has little to do with Robinson.
His circus act could have resulted in pedos going free.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
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