How much do we really know about our history?

[Katman]

http://www.kiwifrontline.com/blogs/bruce-moon

[Kickaha]

http://www.kiwifrontline.com/blogs/bruce-moon

It's an interesting read but what makes the history he has portrayed any more accurate than that done by other researchers?

[Katman]

It's an interesting read but what makes the history he has portrayed any more accurate than that done by other researchers?

That's why it's important to view two sides of an argument.

If you only view one side, your view can hardly be called balanced.

[Murray]

If you only view one side, your view can hardly be called balanced.

That would have to be the most classic post ever on KB!

[Katman]

That would have to be the most classic post ever on KB!

Thanks for your valued input there Murray.

[Paul in NZ]

It's an interesting read but what makes the history he has portrayed any more accurate than that done by other researchers?

If you read any of the well researched histories the facts, battles and dates are supported. However writers don't write books that will never be published so some unsavoury social topics like eating victims is likely is largely ignored. Its just too controversial to sell books.

KB is an excellent example of how if 10 people read the same post they will come up with 15 different interpretations of the 'facts' based on their own personal lived life experiences. Its no great surprise that this version differs from others and even if you took 10 people back to the early 1800's in a time machine you would still get multiple interpretations.

In my mind there is no doubt that Maori 'culture' and likely history evolves and gets re invented. If said time machine could bring a tribe from 1750 to a modern Kapa Haka festival they would wonder wtf is this all about?? Much like Victorians reinvented a classical 'chivalrous' age of King Arthur. Theres no doubt that the better organised groups are going to do better in treaty settlements than smaller disorganised ones and indeed even establishing rights over a parcel of land at a certain time isn't always possible for small groups.

However IMHO the process has been more of a wealth redistribution scheme than it ever was a settlement scheme. Sadly it appears that the trickle down theory has not worked and most Maori are as badly off as they ever were...

[Paul in NZ]

Thanks for your valued input there Murray.

Oh come on - it was pretty funny... Touche Murray

[Katman]

Oh come on - it was pretty funny... Touche Murray

Not really Paul.

I'm normally presenting a side to a story that hasn't already been thoroughly presented by the MSM.

All in the name of balance like.

[TheDemonLord]

and most Maori are as badly off as they ever were...

Really?

Compared to what? Back in the days of Tribal Warfare, ritualistic cannibalism and disease?

[Paul in NZ]

Really?

Compared to what? Back in the days of Tribal Warfare, ritualistic cannibalism and disease?

Relative to the rest of the population

[Paul in NZ]

Not really Paul.

I'm normally presenting a side to a story that hasn't already been thoroughly presented by the MSM.

All in the name of balance like.

And good on you but you have to keep your sense of humour

[Katman]

And good on you but you have to keep your sense of humour

I'm sorry you misread my reply to Murray as being said in anger.

And my reply to you was more to point out that his comment wasn't really applicable.

Hope that clears up that little misunderstanding.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Really?

Compared to what? Back in the days of Tribal Warfare, ritualistic cannibalism and disease?

Look at any stats: poor people at the bottom and poor brown people at the bottom of the bottom

[TheDemonLord]

Relative to the rest of the population

Which population? The NZ population? or the Global Population?

And then there is the question (which I'll also ask to HenryDorsetCase):

Why is that?

I'm sure you'll give an answer along the lines of Systemic racism etc. And for sure - I'm not going to deny that there are some historic hangovers and passed injustices, but how long does that last? 100 years? 400 years?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Which population? The NZ population? or the Global Population?

And then there is the question (which I'll also ask to HenryDorsetCase):

Why is that?

I'm sure you'll give an answer along the lines of Systemic racism etc. And for sure - I'm not going to deny that there are some historic hangovers and passed injustices, but how long does that last? 100 years? 400 years?

LOL begging the question much?

my point of view is this: it doesnt much matter why or how, what matters is how we respond now and in the future. Just one topical example: Do you consider that the full resources of one of the most powerful departments of the bureaucracy should be bought to bear on someone who borrowed money to stay afloat ? bear in mind the 8 year journey of litigation in the face of already decided caselaw which the MSD lost.

is that what we want ? or can we do better?