Free speech.

[Katman]

Figured as much. If you can't even provide evidence for one, why should anyone take heed?

Bogan, it really is you.

[FJRider]

What in there, specifically backs up #2

Read it. Or is English your 2nd/3rd language ... ??? Thought so ...

Of course, it would be irrational to give heed to every whiner bleating on about some bullshit. If you can't provide a modicum of evidence for your bleating, why should anyone listen?

Not true ... I'm responding to YOUR whining ...

[Katman]

Of course, it would be irrational to give heed to every whiner bleating on about some bullshit. If you can't provide a modicum of evidence for your bleating, why should anyone listen?

An enquiring mind would start looking for themselves.

[Graystone]

Read it. Or is English your 2nd/3rd language ... ??? Thought so ...



Not true ... I'm responding to YOUR whining ...

So, nothing then, thought so. That was a word search btw, careless and talk appeared 0 times, with anti-terrorism appearing 6, 4 of which were references and 2 not in the context as you describe.

Not true, you were whinging about a dystopian future and I just pointed out such a thing is not grounded in reality.

Look somewhere else to find some sheeple to preach to, or wait for carbonhed and Katman to turn up perhaps...

[Drew]

You guys sound like any of that actually matters.

Have you forgotten that the planet is over populated? That the climate is changing and we can't survive the environment that is to come?

Personally, I'm more worried about a world war than anything else. It's possible it'll happen in my life, and I dont need that sort of thing killing my buzz.

[yokel]

Freedom of speech and freedom to protest are closely linked – But they are not one and the same. Free speech would mean nothing if there was no right to use public spaces to make your views known (but private places can be ... ).

The rights to free speech and protest, along with the right to form and join associations or groups, are found in Articles 10 and 11 of the Human Rights Act.

These rights can be limited by law to protect the interests of others, but only when the limitation is proportionate and necessary in a Democratic society.

So, for example:

the right to free speech will not protect a person who tries to spread hateful lies against another but it will protect fair comment;

the right to protest won’t protect violent gatherings but it will protect peaceful protest.

In recent years we have seen a variety of measures introduced that undermine the right to protest and freedom of speech ...

1. Laws intended to combat anti-social behaviour, terrorism and serious crime are routinely used against legitimate protesters;

2. Broadly drafted anti-terrorism offences of 'encouragement' and 'glorification' of terrorism threaten to make careless talk a crime;

3. Membership of certain organisations can be banned under anti-terror laws even if the organisation is non-violent and political;

4. Hate speech laws have been extended in a piecemeal way to ban ever-expanding categories of speech;

5. Broad anti-terrorism powers of stop and search have been used to harass and stifle peaceful protesters;

6. Protest around Parliament has been severely restricted by laws limiting and overly regulating the right to assemble and protest around
Parliament.


Is this The New Zealand you want ... ??? and is there a (Democratic ??) party in NZ willing to (try to) change/better it ... ??

How can laws be made around an emotional word like "hate"?
I don't fucking get it.

Who comes up with this bullshit?
Oh fucking Communists.
Hate speech laws = blasphemy laws

[Voltaire]

Could I get a source for #2 then? preferably not from Hunger Games...

I think he has Sleeping Dogs permanently in the Video Player.

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/sleeping-dogs-1977

I could have been an extra in this had I started working at the Post Office 3 years earlier

[FJRider]

How can laws be made around an emotional word like "hate"?
I don't fucking get it.

Who comes up with this bullshit?
Oh fucking Communists.
Hate speech laws = blasphemy laws

Your old-fashioned unionist's ... usually well supported by your local Labour party ...

[mashman]

You guys sound like any of that actually matters.

Have you forgotten that the planet is over populated? That the climate is changing and we can't survive the environment that is to come?

Personally, I'm more worried about a world war than anything else. It's possible it'll happen in my life, and I dont need that sort of thing killing my buzz.

It kind of does matter unfortunately. When the Law can be interpreted to mean anything that those who are paying for the prosecution wish it to be, then peeps end up going to jail for no reason other than they disagree with the Law. Bit of a shit sammy like, but when its yer ecologists and yer various institutes are wanting to tell the truth, but they get lambasted for free speech as they have broken a contract that loosely binds them to silence, then wouldn't you want free speech without recriminations?

The planet is not overpopulated. Let's look at some facts (). We use 1.7 sustainable planets every year. There are 7.6 billion people on the planet. 20% of that 7.6 billion people consume 80% of that which is produced. 80% of the planet are living on 0.34 sustainable planets. Play with the numbers any way you like, but we produce enough food for 10 billion, we have more "shelter" than there are homeless, a train doesn't care how many people are using it but you need a ticket, we waste electricity producing goods and servies that serve absolutely no life purpose that could be used to heat unhealthy homes etc... No, we have abundance of the basics, and various other mod cons, to show that the planet isn't overpopulated. Overpopulation will become a problem, but we'll likely all be dead before we test the true carrying capacity of this little blue dot. NOW then, BAU doesn't come out so well. It is the primary reason for destroying those abundant conditions for life on the planet... but hey, facing that would mean a change in lifestyle... much better to kill the other 80% of the population so that we can keep on chuggin' the way we are. Although that 20% of the population will still be consuming 1.36 planets to maintain that lifestyle. Not so much a population problem, more a case of how and why we do things... but hey, there are Oceans to cross on that path. Dumb ignorant ones.

They cannot have war, for war would render the Earths surface a nuclear wasteland that not even they will survive... unless they fancy living underground and spending time on the surface in a hazmat suit of some form. War can only ever be "localised", or again, they all die.

On a more positive note. So long as society stays afloat enough to maintain the 450+ active nuclear reactors, dump sites and various radioactive weaponry and sites that are dotted around the globe, then everything that can't handle several thousands of years of nuclear radiation will survive

[mashman]

Bogan, it really is you.

No no. Bogan became Enlightened. Bogan no longer exists.

[Viking01]

Good to see that all is fine "outside the fence".

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435466-alex...et-censorship/

[carbonhed]

"I think we're quite hostile to their views"- some terrorist leader of Aotearoa

Wow! There's a wonderful eviseration of Paddy Gower on that clip. Starts around 7.30.

Yay we're on the world stage!

[Graystone]

An enquiring mind would start looking for themselves.

Are you in the sin bin or something? Your posts seem to be delayed in showing up. It's like some sort of impairment to 'free speech' almost...

[WALRUS]

Personally, I'm more worried about a world war than anything else. It's possible it'll happen in my life, and I dont need that sort of thing killing my buzz.

Unfortunately I fear that if/when such a thing does eventuate, it will be largely because of/contributed to by stuff like this. The left/right divide is pretty intense right now with both sides acting like prats. The rise of a certain comb-overed Tangerine has brought out a lot of extreme right wing views into the public eye. Unfortunately, instead of having a debate and discussion to try and explain their point, the far left are just as horrid as the right when it comes to shouting down their opponents and turning everything into some bipartisan shit fight. It's only a matter of time before either side takes things too far and shit gets out of hand.

[Voltaire]

Great Reporting from AU......

" With a Rebel yell she cried Pat, Pat, Pat"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...9744e632cd7f13