Free speech.

[Drew]

Thanks, but no thanks. I did try a bit, but nah.

It's fucken hard work eh. Pretty easy to see why Katman would like it though.

[Katman]

It's fucken hard work eh. Pretty easy to see why Katman would like it though.

I'm not averse to hard work Drew.

You should try it some time.

[pritch]

No surprises there then.

(Well to be fair, I suppose the only surprise is that you 'tried').

It just struck me as a lot of waffle which they were trying to present as factual.

I remember seeing a serious TV doco featuring a kiwi academic. He was somewhere in the Pacific, it may have been Easter Island. He was saying how the Maori had been there and showing what he considered to be evidence to prove this. Then he showed some pottery which he said was Maori, but he was puzzled why Maori had not used pottery anywhere else, either before, or after they had been on that Island. I was just shaking my head thinking since Maori had not otherwise used pottery it was much more likely that the pottery had been left by people other than Maori. Actually I may have been shouting that at the TV. Just because someone has a doctorate it doesn't mean he actually knows what he's talking about.

[Katman]

It just struck me as a lot of waffle which they were trying to present as factual.

I remember seeing a serious TV doco featuring a kiwi academic. He was somewhere in the Pacific, it may have been Easter Island. He was saying how the Maori had been there and showing what he considered to be evidence to prove this. Then he showed some pottery which he said was Maori, but he was puzzled why Maori had not used pottery anywhere else, either before, or after they had been on that Island. I was just shaking my head thinking since Maori had not otherwise used pottery it was much more likely that the pottery had been left by people other than Maori. Actually I may have been shouting that at the TV. Just because someone has a doctorate it doesn't mean he actually knows what he's talking about.

In much the same way that Maori didn't build stone structures.

But it appears that someone did in the Waipoua Forest (and elsewhere).

[Drew]

I'm not averse to hard work Drew.

You should try it some time.

You're good at needling just the right spot with me, though that's hardly an accolade.

[Katman]

You're good at needling just the right spot with me, though that's hardly an accolade.

In that case Drew, might I suggest that you do your mental health a favour and go back and read post #259 - paying particular attention to the last sentence.

There's a good boy.

[Banditbandit]

Do you have any theory on the stone structures in Waipoua Forest?

Not really - I haven't looked into it. One explanation is that these are geological structures. There are places around the world where there are arguments about whether structures are geological or man-made.

In much the same way that Maori didn't build stone structures.

To be fair, Maori did build stone structures - but there are few of them around. The only one i Have seen is Koru Pa in Taranaki - where there are stone walls and defense structures. They are nothing like Waipoua Forest, but no-one can use the 'didn't build stone structure" argument.

here's one of the walls



https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-re...-area/koru-pa/

[Banditbandit]

https://aoh.com/2008/09/01/the-seafaring-irish/

yeah .. but the claim is the ones who came here were Welsh - and the Welsh Celts did not turn up until after the Celts supposedly arrived here ..

[Katman]

here's one of the walls

Exactly - there's one wall.

Have you considered the possibility that Maori might have made use of pre-existing stone structures?

[Banditbandit]

Exactly - there's one wall.

Have you considered the possibility that Maori might have made use of pre-existing stone structures?

Why would I need to do that?

I went to look at the Waipoua Forest structures ... they look similar to Koru Pa ..

Have you considered the possibility that the people who became Maori were here a lot longer than the Pakeha historians claim?

Our oral traditions certainly support that idea ..

[Banditbandit]

. They are nothing like Waipoua Forest,

Apologies - I was thinking of the Kaimanawa wall ..

[Laava]

Not really - I haven't looked into it. One explanation is that these are geological structures. There are places around the world where there are arguments about whether structures are geological or man-made.






To be fair, Maori did build stone structures - but there are few of them around. The only one i Have seen is Koru Pa in Taranaki - where there are stone walls and defense structures. They are nothing like Waipoua Forest, but no-one can use the 'didn't build stone structure" argument.

here's one of the walls



https://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-re...-area/koru-pa/

Another consideration in regard to Waipoua forest is that it has had a network of temporary roads through it when it was milled for kauri over a century ago. This wall here could have been built by anyone, anytime then and of course there will be no historical record leaving the door open for outrageous claims that cannot be refuted. My wife builds walls like this in the nether regions of our block but fucked if I am going to make any wild claims about ancient redheaded wall building celts within her earshot!
Edit, I acknowledge that your pic BB is not from waipoua forest, but there are formations in there...

[Drew]

Our oral traditions certainly support that idea ..

It's unfortunate that only the writer understood the stories of their carving. Things would be a shit ton clearer if you cunts had kept decent records.

[Banditbandit]

Exactly - there's one wall.

Have you considered the possibility that Maori might have made use of pre-existing stone structures?

Further - I have been to Koru Pa - yes that is One wall - there are many others, from the spiral leading up to the actual Pa, to ones scattered throughout the Pa.

Did you look at the link I attached?

[Graystone]

Why would I need to do that?

I went to look at the Waipoua Forest structures ... they look similar to Koru Pa ..

Have you considered the possibility that the people who became Maori were here a lot longer than the Pakeha historians claim?

Our oral traditions certainly support that idea ..

Is there disagreement between maori historians and the wider histrionic community on this?

I mean, it all sounds a lot like hearsay to me...