Free speech.

[Woodman]

I think you are confusing me with someone who considers your opinion relevant or even well thought out..
No criminal should be able to further profit out of their crime after being convicted and released.
So unless you also believe Mike Tyson should be able to come to NZ and give speeches about how to rape women, maybe you should think through your simplistic free speech definition.
tMaybe you will then realise its not as simple as that.

Mike Tyson was also a fucking good boxer.

[Katman]

Not quite, free speech also allows you to tell others to shut the fuck up or go fuck their hats, preferably both.

As is entirely your right.

But taking steps to deliberately shut down free speech goes way beyond that.

[husaberg]

Mike Tyson was also a fucking good boxer.

By all accounts a pretty shit rapist.
Pretty sure that's not his boxing prowess why he was convicted jailed and refused entry to NZ though.

[Katman]

So unless you also believe Mike Tyson should also be able to come to NZ and give speeches about how to rape women, maybe you should re think through your simplistic free speech definition.

I suppose that comes down to my ability to recognise the moral difference between someone raping a person and someone exposing corrupt governmental practices.

I don't expect you'll ever be capable of understanding that difference though.

[Woodman]

Pretty sure that's not why he was convicted jailed and refused entry to NZ though.

Yeah but it may be what he is coming to talk about. I don't think he is over here to promote rape.

[husaberg]

Yeah but it may be what he is coming to talk about. I don't think he is over here to promote rape.

The dudes lucky to string to words together.........

Applicants for all visas must be of good character, not pose a security risk and not threaten New Zealand’s international reputation.
People with serious character issues can’t be granted any visa or entry permission, except in very special circumstances.
People with other character issues must have the good character requirement waived before they can be granted residence.

Serious character issues
You can't be granted a visa if you:
have ever been convicted of an offence for which you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 5 years or more
have been convicted in the last 10 years of an offence for which you were sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 12 months or longer
are prohibited from entering New Zealand
have ever been removed, excluded or deported from any country.
You will also not be granted a visa if we have reason to believe you:

are likely to commit an offence in New Zealand that is punishable by imprisonment
are likely to be a risk to security
are likely to be a threat to public order
are likely to be a risk to the public interest.
If you have a serious character issue, you are normally ineligible to be granted a visa unless we grant you a special direction.
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[Katman]

The dudes lucky to string to words together.........

I suspect he has a better grasp of English than you do.

[husaberg]

I suppose that comes down to my ability to recognise the moral difference between someone raping a person and someone exposing corrupt governmental practices.

I don't expect you'll ever be capable of understanding that difference though.

So free KATSPAM FREE SPEECH draws the line at morals now, its not what you said first........

Then don't go and listen to her if she does come here.

That's how free speech should work - you're free to ignore it if it doesn't interest you.

I suspect he has a better grasp of English than you do.

You suspect everything because you are paranoid, But is pretty funny coming from someone that clearly has a very limited vocabulary and a tenuous grasp on reality. So thanks for the giggle.

[Woodman]

The dudes lucky to string to words together.........

Yeah but those are rules, rules can and should be broken to prevent fuckwitism, and how much threat would Mike Tyson be considering he is a major celebrity therefore his every movement will be documented .

[husaberg]

Yeah but those are rules, rules can and should be broken to prevent fuckwitism, and how much threat would Mike Tyson be considering he is a major celebrity therefore his every movement will be documented .

Zero threat as he wont be allowed in, regardless of his celebrity status he doesn't qualify under our visa rules.

[Woodman]

Zero threat as he wont be allowed in, regardless of his celebrity status he doesn't qualify under our visa rules.

Like I said, rules are for fuckwits and can and should be bent once in a while, unless you work for the council, those guys are poweretripping fucktards.

[husaberg]

Like I said, rules are for fuckwits and can and should be bent once in a while, unless you work for the council, those guys are poweretripping fucktards.

If you think its okay to bend the rules just be cause hes a celebrity side show, that's not what i consider free speech that's elitism.

[Woodman]

If you think its okay to bend the rules just be cause hes a celebrity side show, that's not what i consider free speech that's elitism.

No, nothing to do with celebrity, just think he may have an interesting story to tell, that and he was an elite sportsman.

[husaberg]

No, nothing to do with celebrity, just think he may have an interesting story to tell, that and he was an elite sportsman.

ie a celebrity,
While am sure it would be intersting to hear OJ Simpson give a speech or to and attend a glove fitting i doubt hes getting in as well even though he was an elite sportsperson as well.

[FJRider]

As is entirely your right.

But taking steps to deliberately shut down free speech goes way beyond that.

Even the Freedom of speech can be limited ... to respect the rights and reputations of others.

And as for "shutting down free speech" ... for the protection of national security, Public Order, or public health and morals ... quite legal in NZ

But you are legally entitled to hold opinions ... but how/where (and what) you can voice ... is limited in law.