Free speech.

[skinman]

most comedians would fall under that definition of stuff not allowed to be said.
I think those 2 have got the best free advertising that money can buy
remains to be seen what they do with it

[caspernz]

Is free speech dead and buried in this country?

While I might not agree with everything Lauren Southern and Stephen Molyneux say, I absolutely support their right to say it.

The New Zealand media have done a great job of telling New Zealanders what they must believe.

Having listened to a bit of what Lauren & Stephen talk about, it sure as heck doesn't rate as hate speech in my book. Unless outlining what is plain to see qualifies as hate speech. Now I don't have to agree with their points verbatim, but if I have to listen to the ideas of minorities, then it's only fair that the majority views are also given some airtime. The drama around it all is good for publicity though aye...

So if at the last reported NZ census so far (2013) 74% of the people responding identified themselves as European with a 68% figure for NZ European, that seems like a great chunk of people that don't fit the other ethnicities reported on, so who is speaking for that chunk of people and trying to preserve their right to their culture?

Is that what Lauren Southern is trying to get across?

Pretty much.

It's well and truly happened in western Europe, and to some extent it's in progress here. Instead of over running the country by force, it's as simple as the birth rate by a minority group being high enough to become the majority over time.

[TheDemonLord]

"Other People" have more rights than that ...

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p....html#DLM53500

The very reason the two at the center of discussion in thread ... DO NOT want a "meeting" held in a public (ie: free) location is 1(b)

Offensive behaviour or language
(1)
Every person is liable to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who,—
(a)
in or within view of any public place, behaves in an offensive or disorderly manner; or
(b)
in any public place, addresses any words to any person intending to threaten, alarm, insult, or offend that person; or
(c)
in or within hearing of a public place,—
(i)
uses any threatening or insulting words and is reckless whether any person is alarmed or insulted by those words; or
(ii)
addresses any indecent or obscene words to any person.

Or.... There is a long history of radical left-wing activists/domestic terrorist groups using force to shut down speakers they don't like. A Venue gives some ability to exclude those who want to violently protest.

As opposed to peacefully protest and even come to the event to ask questions and challenge the speakers...

Also - what is the legal standard for offense or offended? Is there a threshold? Or is it simply a case of get enough people with tears streaming down their face, claiming PTSD from Twitter?

[TheDemonLord]

Lauren's responses to Comrade Cinda:

A blatant display of the limits of 'tolerance' and 'diversity'. You say you support multiculturalism/different views/ diversity but you can't even support different opinion

You stand for women's rights until that woman disagrees with your narrative,"

and in reference to MP Golriz Ghahraman

'Do you have a string on your back that we pull and you just repeat 'we love diversity'?

[Swoop]

And every other religion.

Destiny is a cult, not a religion.

[oldrider]

Ultimately:- Free speech is power dependent.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's well and truly happened in western Europe, and to some extent it's in progress here. Instead of over running the country by force, it's as simple as the birth rate by a minority group being high enough to become the majority over time.

FAr be it for me to invoke Godwin's Law, but what the fuck?

[Woodman]

Destiny is a cult, not a religion.

I didn't mention destiny, but yeah tomarto, tomato.

[Banditbandit]

I find it interesting that no-one has yet posted up an opinion from Southern/Molyneux that they find offensive.

Yeah - the idea that white people are more intelligent than any other ethnicity .. I find that offensive


You all do realize that lefties/humanitarians have been stopped by Immigration NZ? This wack job pair did get a visa - the private venue refused to rent them space.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105...r-hero-members

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah - the idea that white people are more intelligent than any other ethnicity .. I find that offensive

Are you offended that Ashkenazi Jews are (on average) more intelligent than everyone else?

[Banditbandit]

Are you offended that Ashkenazi Jews are (on average) more intelligent than everyone else?

Proof?

Maybe it was all those other genes they've picked up along the way ..

[caspernz]

FAr be it for me to invoke Godwin's Law, but what the fuck?

No mention of Nazis was made, we're at a very different end of the spectrum

[husaberg]

Well someone (or something) got to them.

Unless you're suggesting they're just schizophrenic.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-...lery_id=196571

When approached for comment, The Powerstation’s owner and manager Peter Campbell told the Spinoff he was unaware of the views espoused by the pair.
“A couple of Canadians came in last night to make a booking” and he was simply “putting content through a venue”, said Campbell.
“The Powerstation is a blank canvas. The venue is the venue,” he said. “I own the Powerstation but do I have the right to decide what goes in the venue?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/music/03-08...molyneux-show/

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-...lery_id=196571

When approached for comment, The Powerstation’s owner and manager Peter Campbell told the Spinoff he was unaware of the views espoused by the pair.
“A couple of Canadians came in last night to make a booking” and he was simply “putting content through a venue”, said Campbell.
“The Powerstation is a blank canvas. The venue is the venue,” he said. “I own the Powerstation but do I have the right to decide what goes in the venue?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/music/03-08...molyneux-show/

well if he's the owner and manager then pretty clearly yes he does.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No mention of Nazis was made, we're at a very different end of the spectrum

sorry I didnt express that very well. But that "they" are outbreeding "us" argument was one of the arguments advanced by the Nazis for the Final solution. Hence my reference to Godwin.

And I dont see that clunge Southern and/or Molyneux as being very different from Nazis personally. But I am a well known wet liberal socialist.