Free speech.

**jasonu** · 21st August 2018, 02:15

Originally Posted by Katman

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment...demand-service

Protecting the masses...

**Drew** · 21st August 2018, 06:35

Originally Posted by Katman

Except for labelling it a 'piece of shit'.

I'm intrigued to know your reasoning.

Its fucken hard watching.

Really amateur the way its cobbled together.

Let me rephrase in order to not upset your delicate sensibilities, and try to illicit an actual answer to me question

I'm not commenting on the content of it, I want to k ow if you think the broadcaster removing it is oppression.

**Katman** · 21st August 2018, 07:25

Originally Posted by Drew

Let me rephrase in order to not upset your delicate sensibilities

Oh that's rich, coming from you.

**Drew** · 21st August 2018, 14:48

Originally Posted by Katman

Oh that's rich, coming from you.

I get delicate in the presence of prejudice. Most other things kinda slide off these days.

I'm over this now, your answer isnt important enough to me to warrant any further interaction.

**Katman** · 21st August 2018, 15:02

Originally Posted by Drew

I get delicate in the presence of prejudice.

What prejudice is shown in that documentary?

**Drew** · 21st August 2018, 15:09

Originally Posted by Katman

What prejudice is shown in that documentary?

That was a reference to you, absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

**Katman** · 21st August 2018, 15:21

Originally Posted by Drew

That was a reference to you, absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Do I make you feel delicate Drew?

Sweaty palms maybe?

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2018, 15:43

Originally Posted by Katman

Except for labelling it a 'piece of shit'.

I'm intrigued to know your reasoning.

Let me see .. These people claim the Celts arrived here about 3,500 years ago - must be about 1,500 BCE - and came from Wales ..

Given that the Celts arrived in the UK area in two waves - the Goidelic-speaking Celts between 2000 BCE and 1200 BCE approximately 4,000 to 3,200 years ago .. and the Brythonic-speaking Celts sometime in the period 500 BCE to 400 BCE - about 2,400 to 2,500 years ago ..

It can only have been the Goidelic speaking Celts .. (they must have left before the Brythonic Celts arrived in the UK) ... who didn't bother to stop in Wales, but sailed south in the Atlantic - around Cape Horn, leaving no trace, before crossing the Southern Ocean to New Zealand ....

All in coracle boats ... yeah - really likely

Here's a Celtic boat from 1CE .. really seaworthy for a trip from the UK to here .. that's only 2,000 years old - not 3,500 years old ..

Also, Goidelic Celts were from Ireland and parts of Scotland - Welsh Celts are Brythonic - and only settled there about 2,500 years ago - and therefore cannot be the ones found n Northland, who apparently were here 3,500 years ago.

a claim that the Polynesian demi-god was an historical figure who not only discovered New Zealand but was captain of a fleet of six ships from Egypt

Egypt ??? What has Egypt got to do with it?

Professor Richard Holdaway and Professor Lisa Matisoo-Smith. Both have done work that suggests rats may have arrived here earlier than first settlement – and that almost certainly arrived with people.

On the face of it their findings could give credence to the idea of pre-Māori settlement in New Zealand. Neither of them were interviewed in the documentaries and both are scathing of the ideas being promoted in them.

Lisa Matisoo Smith told Mediawatch the documentaries had misused her data. "I have communicated with these people and have pointed out the errors in their interpretations but they do not want to hear the truth."

Exactly .. early visits or even occupation - sure - early Polynesian settlers ... some Maori oral histories certainly show people here before Kupe, and before Maui ... A small group of say 50 people coming on a canoe will leave bugger all archaeological evidence - especially if hey go home again - and even if we knew where to look for it.

He said his research, which can be found on open source online journals, suggests that people, probably of the Lapita culture, visited New Zealand a few hundred years before the beginning of settlement.

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2018, 15:48

So yeah - piece of shit ..

**Katman** · 21st August 2018, 15:55

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Here's a Celtic boat from 1CE .. really seaworthy for a trip from the UK to here ..

Are you suggesting that the Celts didn't have seaworthy boats back then?

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2018, 16:39

Originally Posted by Katman

Are you suggesting that the Celts didn't have seaworthy boats back then?

Yes - that is exactly what is suggested ... maybe seaworthy - but not good enough to sail here - especially across the Southern Ocean .

Here's one built following an old one that was found from 3,500 years ago

Do you seriously think anyone could sail from the UK to here in one of these?

If you think they had boats that could get here - show me ..

However, the boats are not the only thing - the historical timing is also out ..

**oldrider** · 21st August 2018, 17:25

Maybe New Zealand was over there then - tectonically speaking? - Who really knows?

**Katman** · 21st August 2018, 19:29

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

So yeah - piece of shit ..

Do you have any theory on the stone structures in Waipoua Forest?

**Drew** · 21st August 2018, 20:21

Originally Posted by Katman

Do you have any theory on the stone structures in Waipoua Forest?

Why do we need to?

This thread is about free speech. You started it. I assume that the program being aired twice but having been taken down from online viewing, is an infringement of free speech.

It isn't. It was removed because the classification was incorrect. But it got aired.