The 1080 debate

[Woodman]

Bugger off. They're more valuable than you think. Especially for the region's. If they're gone they'll suffer. Less food for poor people around and less money in their economy. People who currently spend millions of dollars on deer and other game animals would never spend that much on birds.

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Just attract a different sort of person who are willing to spend millions on birds. Animals don't have to be shot to enjoy them.

[Woodman]

And look how a plan to eradicate deer turned into a wide-spread farming industry.

Sometimes it takes a bit of thinking outside the box.

Yeah, like the possum fur industry where possums were released deliberately into the bush to increase their numbers for the trappers. Do you support battery farming possums?

[jafagsx250]

Just attract a different sort of person who are willing to spend millions on birds. Animals don't have to be shot to enjoy them.

We already do. But I would never spend my hard earned on bird watching. But people do on hunting. Deer are much more interesting animals.

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[Katman]

Yeah, like the possum fur industry where possums were released deliberately into the bush to increase their numbers for the trappers. Do you support battery farming possums?

Are you talking about back in the 60's like this article mentions?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...its-own-demise

And as you'll see, it's not just the fur that has value - but the meat also.

And no, I don't support battery farming anything.

[jafagsx250]

You can sell the carcass for 4 bucks a possum to dog food processors

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[husaberg]

Yeah, like the possum fur industry where possums were released deliberately into the bush to increase their numbers for the trappers. Do you support battery farming possums?

A guy here actually farmed them here in the late 70's it was cheaper and easier than going to catch them.

[husaberg]

In the last case I read about, a farmer was offered 8 bales of silage for the loss of 8 two year old heifers. Heifers that the farmer estimated to be worth $2000 each.



You're the one who keeps banging on about how inaccessible parts of New Zealand are. And I've already conceded that if they restricted their aerial operations to areas that truly were 'inaccessible', it would be a start towards finding some middle ground.

But the fact that stock appear to be able to wander onto certain areas doesn't suggest that they're 'inaccessible' by any stretch of the imagination.

According to your fav anti 1080 site this is the farmers in te kuiti

No I'm not.

I'm simply pointing that if stock have wandered onto DOC land it can hardly be called 'inaccessible'.

Did you go to the same school as the Berk?

Tell that to the farmers of the animals who have died of 1080 poisoning.

Their own words

Owners of a dry stock property near Te Kuiti, Paula and Mark Stone, said they were approached by MPI to agree to the 1080 drop on their property - although MPI said it was DOC who approached the farmers - which they did after an official visited them for a meeting.
The couple confirmed that DOC had contacted them two weeks prior to the drop to tell them to move cattle which they did.
The farmers whose cows might have been killed by 1080 says it's possible the animals escaped into the area where the poison was dropped.
Mrs Stone said the cattle had been let into the bush area in the past where the drop occurred.
"By the bush area there's a track and there's open paddocks in that area and so we do allow them in there, but all winter that gate was secured."
While she said it was not certain the animals had escaped into the operation area, it was a possibility and when DOC visited their property to inspect the dead cattle, they walked the boundary of the paddock and found the fence that had been secured had been damaged.
"But it is likely that they've gone into that area, yes it is very likely."
she confirmed no baits had been found in the actual paddock where the cattle died.

DOC Operations Director David Speirs said staff had been to the site and all the evidence pointed to the animals escaping on to pasture in the drop zone.
"The gate in question was secured to a post by a piece of wire around its middle, and it's rotated around that piece of wire. The gate wasn't well secured at all."
No bait was found in the paddock where the cows were found dead, he said.
A 500kg animal would have to eat 22 or 23 baits to get a toxic dose, but it wasn't impossible a cow would eat that much. The drop rate is 300 baits per hectare.
GPS-based data showing where the helicopter flew and the follow-up on the ground confirmed the baits were dropped where they were supposed to go.


Third parties make use of these kind of incidents to fuel opposition to 1080, he said.
"The tragedy of this is ... it distracts from the real message, which is that we're trying to save New Zealand's biodiversity.
"We will lose the battle if we don't use tools like 1080.

Maybe Katman will man up and post what was written on the anti 1080 site as oppsed to what actually happened.

[Katman]

Their own words

Why are they doing aerial drops on areas that could easily be done on foot?

[husaberg]

Why are they doing aerial drops on areas that could easily be done on foot?

It Says you you need to learn what "accessible"actually means humans are not cattle or deer or possums
also there are areas where natural hazards mean they are not suitable for ground control operations.
You would know this if you had any actual experience.

I see you ignore that what you read on the anti 1080 turns out to be utter 3 hand horse shit.
Post a link to your original information

[Katman]

It Says you you need to learn what "accessible"actually means humans are not cattle or deer or possums
also there are areas where natural hazards mean they are not suitable for ground control operations.

David Speirs said the animals escaped onto pasture in the drop zone.

What exactly makes pasture 'inaccessible' to humans?

[mada]

the true reason DoC are dropping 1080 is to cover up the fact that Moa still exist.

1080 is killing the Moa. DoC don't want hunters to know about the Moa and are deliberately trying to kill them.

#ban1080

[mada]

Why are they doing aerial drops on areas that could easily be done on foot?

Trying to eradicate the moa bro.

[Katman]

Trying to eradicate the moa bro.

How old are you?

[husaberg]

David Speirs said the animals escaped onto pasture in the drop zone.

What exactly makes pasture 'inaccessible' to humans?

SO now the Katman requirement is for every part of every area to be totally inaccessible to deem an area inaccessible.
you can walk arround on top of many mountains but can you climb up to the top of them.
Your source said the animals had had 1080 dropped into their paddock and had been poisoned from it and they had only been offered 8 bales of silage.
funny how the owners of the animal don't confirm any part of your sources story
Ever seen an animal die of eating tutu, i doubt you even know what it is or what it does. the owner consented to a drop on his land and it appears they were not poisioned from this but it it appears they were on DOC land prior to them dying.

[Katman]

Your source said the animals had had 1080 dropped into their paddock

Where did I ever say that?