The 1080 debate

[Woodman]

1080 works and is getting rid of non native species and restoring our birdlife which is a great thing. It has its cons, but really there is no viable alternative.

The other great thing about the 1080 debate is now we have our own area 51 type lunatic fringe in NZ. Fucking entertaining.

[F5 Dave]

There are alternatives.

Rehabilitation.
You could send in facilitators to teach the Rats and Stoats and Posses to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

Hmm. . . Thing is, the singing and dancing will make them horny.

Oh no, I didn't think this through! Legions of RatStoats

[Dadpole]

Oh no, I didn't think this through! Legions of RatStoats

Just elect them to Parliament like the rest of their kind.

[sidecar bob]

I'll pay for it out of my taxes - just like everyone else will.
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That's a noble attitude.
Just think how much pest control we could have got for the price of the tooth fairy's pointless jaunt in the 757 recently without you having to find another hard earned cent to give them.
Perhaps some Maori tribes could band together & use a portion of their massive taxpayer handouts to help out too.

[Katman]

The other great thing about the 1080 debate is now we have our own area 51 type lunatic fringe in NZ. Fucking entertaining.

Most causes that people feel strongly about will attract a radical fringe but it would be wrong to assume that those who threaten to put 1080 in milk powder and those who throw 1080 at politicians represent the vast majority who don't support the current usage of 1080.

But it raises the old question, what drives a suicide bomber to blow themselves up?

It's usually a deep belief in their cause coupled with a sense of frustration that they are not being heard.

[Katman]

That's a noble attitude.
Just think how much pest control we could have got for the price of the tooth fairy's pointless jaunt in the 757 recently without you having to find another hard earned cent to give them.
Perhaps some Maori tribes could band together & use a portion of their massive taxpayer handouts to help out too.

Or a wasted $26 million on a flag referendum.

[sidecar bob]

Or a wasted $26 million on a flag referendum.

Yeah, that's a fantastic old chestnut & you're lucky to have it to make every dopey decision ok with the current govt.
He could have gone ahead & changed the flag without consulting the population like Labour would.

[Katman]

http://www.1080.org.nz/1_Welcome_to_..._overview.html

[sidecar bob]

http://www.1080.org.nz/1_Welcome_to_..._overview.html

Yep, it kills shit, we already know that.
Anything new available on this topic? We don't need emotionally charged children's picture book drawings to follow the plot. well some may.

[Katman]

Anything new available on this topic?

There's research being done on the idea of eradication via sterilisation.

And we should be encouraging a lot more effort into researching that sort of alternative.

[sidecar bob]

There's research being done on the idea of eradication via sterilisation.

And we should be encouraging a lot more effort into researching that sort of alternative.

I had that done years ago. I had already bred previously however

[caspernz]

1080 works and is getting rid of non native species and restoring our birdlife which is a great thing. It has its cons, but really there is no viable alternative.

The other great thing about the 1080 debate is now we have our own area 51 type lunatic fringe in NZ. Fucking entertaining.

Yep, it kills shit, we already know that.
Anything new available on this topic? We don't need emotionally charged children's picture book drawings to follow the plot. well some may.

A simple cartoon works for me...

It's quite hard for someone to get unbiased info on this topic. Bit like global warming, I want to know the source of the info and how they're funded. I can be against all kinds of things, but who am I to question any expert in their chosen profession?

So while I may not like the somewhat indiscriminate way in which 1080 allegedly kills, the viable alternative is MIA at this stage.

[husaberg]

There's research being done on the idea of eradication via sterilisation.

And we should be encouraging a lot more effort into researching that sort of alternative.

We do a heck of a klot of research but you need to consider that the transport mechanism is a Genetically Engineered product.
Also the same lunitic fringe plus others is against making animal sterile with genetic engineering.
So how are you getting on with that list of viable options then you stated their were alternatives, Yet it turns out you dont know any.

The West Coast is 80% DOC stretches from the the equivalent of Auckland to Wellington, most of it is mountainous alot of it is near totally un-accessible on foot or to dangerous to traverse it also has few roads.
It also is a TB endemic area.
So go ahead name these viable alternatives?

but i will take it that you are willing for the tax payers and landowners everywhere in NZ to pay all the additional costs?
PS a lot of the money for vector doesn't come from taxes (I am not surprised you never knew that either)
So how much extra its going to cost?
Then how much are you personally are willing to pay for it?

You could also outline your experience with 1080 and the other methods outline all their pros and cons
You might want too explain the callous and indiscriminate part as well as how you intend to control the vectors.
Then explain what the issue is with 1080 in the first place.

[TheDemonLord]

This is an old Debate - we are all about the 4K now...

But in seriousness - not a huge fan of the use of Poisons per se, but as Husa points out - There are some rather unique challenges to the problem, challenges that Poison does address rather well.

And that's about all I care for the subject.

[Katman]

This is an old Debate - we are all about the 4K now...

But in seriousness - not a huge fan of the use of Poisons per se, but as Husa points out - There are some rather unique challenges to the problem, challenges that Poison does address rather well.

And that's about all I care for the subject.

And if they limited their aerial drops to areas that truly are inaccessible, it would at least be a start.

For areas that are in fact accessible, trapping (and the associated business ventures that can arise from it) should be enthusiastically encouraged.