The 1080 debate

[husaberg]

It sounds like something they'd be happy to prove.

Perhaps they haven't been given permission.

There are viable alternatives.

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So again what are threse viable large scale options you spoke of with such certainty earlier on.
You have yet to name any at all.
Bearing in mind its 2 million hectares on the South Island west coast alone.
thats 20,000 sq km's
Especially given a heck of a lot of it has never been traversed at all by humans.

[jellywrestler]

It sounds like something they'd be happy to prove.

Perhaps they haven't been given permission.

about 1% of them maybe if you tried hard, the rest think it's someone elses job, their entire commitment to the cause is bitching on line and maybe making up a placard and one for their mate....

[Graystone]

I'm all for protecting native species but is choosing the most inhumane method, simply because it's the cheapest option, really the way an advanced society should deal with an issue?

We're a democracy with a 'nature' focused party who pisses around far too much with human centric socialist policy to be of any practical use to mother earth, what is this advanced society you speak of? Make no mistake, we're still a very primitive society, we just have some exceptional individuals advancing us despite this limitation.

[FJRider]

I'm all for protecting native species but is choosing the most inhumane method, simply because it's the cheapest option, really the way a DEMOCRATIC society should deal with an issue?

There ... fixed it for you ... ... and YES ... Even the Green Party agrees to it's use. (Until something better can be found)

If protesters find argument ... they might suggest and demonstrate a suitable method ... if any suitably qualified people are in their number.

These guys probably sway their opinion ..



Have you ANY examples of alternate methods being used on any large area ... with ANY degree of success the 1080 achieves ... (regardless of the relevant cost of these alternate methods) ... ???

The elected Government chose 1080 as method of choiced ... as have ALL previous elected Governments of NZ.

Local Government in all parts of NZ use this method ... and praise the results achieved.

Native bird life is now increasing in all areas 1080 is used ... when previously it was in decline.

The best protesters can do is collect road kill birds and claim it's a 1080 issue.

Perhaps ... a referendum on this topic at the next election.

[mada]

It sounds like something they'd be happy to prove.

Perhaps they haven't been given permission.

DOC's already done the study for them... back in 2006

"Southern comfort

In 2006 there was a moderate beech seedfall in the Dart valley and rat and mouse numbers rose dramatically. Brodifacoum was placed in bait stations at a density of 1 bait station per hectare over 2700 ha of the valley floor. This caused only a temporary check in the increasing rat abundance and 1080 was broadcast from the air over 5600 ha of the Dart and Routeburn catchments. Rat tracking rates dropped after the 1080 was applied and did not subsequently rise above 12%.

Rat tracking rates were monitored in the Mill Flat part of the valley where no 1080 or brodifacoum was used. At Mill Flat rat densities peaked at 87%.

Mohua were monitored in both the treated valleys and at Mill Flat. Nesting success at Mill Flat (47%) was significantly lower than in the treated areas (89%) and all the nest failures at both places were caused by rats or stoats. Counts of mohua along transects in the Dart valley showed that mohua declined by 23% between 2006 and 2007 in areas that were treated with 1080, while there was a 100% decline in the untreated Mill Flat forests – no mohua were recorded on transects in 2007 at Mill Flat."

https://www.doc.govt.nz/our-work/bat...s/august-2014/

Gee I wonder why they advocate for it's use...

[Woodman]

Was reading on a anti 1080 facebook page today where they were looking for someone to front the media, and one of the suggestions that was popular was a hunting blogger from Australia

[FJRider]

There are a lot of auto reset traps used that kill instantly so they don't need checking as often

Yep ... there are. One's like this ... $185 retail.

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/goodn...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

If all adult tax paying citizens (including beneficiaries) supplied a dozen ... it might (just) be enough to cover the south island west coast ...

Of course ... they might also be asked to help install them too ...

Buying in bulk ... you might get the discount price too ...

Another good one ...

[mada]

Surely releasing cats into the bush would be a more effective way at culling rodents and pests than 1080 poison?

#Ban1080

[jellywrestler]

Surely releasing cats into the bush would be a more effective way at culling rodents and pests than 1080 poison?

#Ban1080

that's as smart as gareth morgans bid to exterminate cats in wellington, then weeks later offering a beer per rat as a bounty, and the guy is a so called economist....

[Katman]

..... we just have some exceptional individuals advancing us despite this limitation.

Why thank-you.

[FJRider]

Surely releasing cats into the bush would be a more effective way at culling rodents and pests than 1080 poison?

#Ban1080

Cats kill more (native) birds than possums ... and wild cats are already present in most areas of native bush. They do no assist pest control in any way. They are even higher up the DOC "Hit List" than possums ... as birds are their natural prey.

Have your say here ... For or against 1080 ... if you need a laugh at peoples thinking and understanding of the 1080 issue.

https://www.facebook.com/ban1080party/

But I'm sure they all mean well ...

[FJRider]

that's as smart as gareth morgans bid to exterminate cats in wellington, then weeks later offering a beer per rat as a bounty, and the guy is a so called economist....

Post second world war in Singapore ... flies infested the country. The Government of the day offered a bounty of 5 cents a dozen (I think). It worked.

[mada]

The truth is revealed

[Kickaha]

plus the dead body lying under it is a bit of a deterrent to others.

No it isn't, they will walk across the dead animal underneath the trap to stick their head in it, I did a Rotorua canopy tour where a percentage of profits goes into trapping and at the end of it they go through the trapping and figures of what they get, that was a question I asked, they use the resettable traps and check them every few weeks, they said standard trapping methods would have sent them broke

We cannot trap our way out of this, logistically impossible.

Didn't say we could

It sounds like something they'd be happy to prove.

Perhaps they haven't been given permission.

Any time I have asked any of them they haven't ever replied with an alternative

Bay Bush trust only use trapping but they also say 1080 is very cost effective compared to trapping
http://www.baybushaction.org.nz/Bio1080

[Katman]

Bay Bush trust only use trapping but they also say 1080 is very cost effective compared to trapping

Yes, it appears that everything comes back to cost.