And so it begins. White farmers thrown off land in SA

[Skyryder]

That is exactly what young Americans/Brits/Australians etc are doing on our behalf in Iraq. I say thank you to them.
Personally I find our lefty Nation and Govt attitudes embarrassing. John.

Is this more to your liking? http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/dis...b_at_print.asp

Skyryder

[soundbeltfarm]

if this happened here all the gun barels in this house hold would be smoking.
i'd have a few bullets spare for helen, then again we cant use lead on ducks now so i'd probably have to take her out with a hammer.

but cant see it happening here.

[Kickaha]

That is exactly what young Americans/Brits/Australians etc are doing on our behalf in Iraq. I say thank you to them.
Personally I find our lefty Nation and Govt attitudes embarrassing. John.

What a load of crap, they're doing it on our behalf? they're certainly not doing it on mine

Wasn't Iraq because that nasty Saddam guy had WMD and was a threat blah blah blah,except that turned out to be a complete load of bullshit

[oldrider]

Whats the use of freedom if you can't ride your bike? No oil! John.

[jazbug5]

As far as I can see, there's been a real effort in South Africa to address grievances without bloodshed- i.e. the reconciliation process in which wrongs under apartheid by particular people were openly aired and apologised for so that people could move on. Forgive me if this seems naive, but if my family had had their land taken from them under an unjust system, I'd probably want it back, too. In most countries, stolen property is returned to the rightful owner. Okay, the farmer bought it in good faith, but sadly someone has to make a judgement call on what is fair in this case. He has profited from cheap land (it seems) for thirty-odd years, and has now been offered a price to give it up; this is hardly the same as in Zimbabwe where they are terrorizing people (black and white) and throwing them off their land without redress. Recquisitioning land and property has been the perogative of goverments everywhere for centuries; this is hardly new or specific to Southern Africa. The whole situation is a tinderbox, and the last thing it needs is a few bright sparks with firepower, surely?

[Timber020]

I find it hard to feel sorry for white farmers in SA after the treatment some have dealt out to the blacks over the last century or so.
A farm I know of had a mobile water pump that was powered by an old radial airplane engine. It had to be started how you seen old planes started in movies but without being properly anchored. It used to kill or maim, on average, one black worker every 2 years. It was first put to work sometime in the 60's, to my knowledge its still in use.

[Biff]

First Rhodesia, now SA. Wonder how long before Comrade Clark and the Maori party start trying this shit here.

Yeah. The similarities are stark. White Europeans invading foreign lands and claiming the natives land for their own. Rule Brittania and the 'Cloggies' (Dutch).

[Badcat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4340396.stm



First Rhodesia, now SA. Wonder how long before Comrade Clark and the Maori party start trying this shit here.

yeah, should be next week.
exactly the same, South Africa and NZ.

[Al]

And the problem, WINJA and Skyryder, with South Africans coming to New Zealand is........?

Black land was not taken from the tribes, it was exchanged for food/blankets/goods. Today that sounds like they were terribly "ripped-off". When the land was acquired it was barren/bush/undeveloped, today the farms are developed, have homesteads and are worth a shitload more money than that which is being offered for them.

As for the inhumane treatment of ethnic people, that did happen in the past, still happens in the present in some places.
I was a Lieutenant in the SADF during the so-called terrorist era, the people we fought against in Angola are now the rulers of the country.... Well, viva fucking AZANIA!
Ethnic people are catching up on the payback pretty smartly and, as in Zimbabwe, they are not only targeting the "Whiteys".

Go to Africa and experience "it" firsthand, then come back and post


Flame away

Al

[thehollowmen]

South Africans are hot. They also have an awesome choice in motorcycles.

Also, they are trained in some jobs that kiwis can't get trained in now. Eg General pathology as a specialisation.

Really sad to hear this but.. means we might get some more over here

[thehollowmen]

Black land was not taken from the tribes, it was exchanged for food/blankets/goods. Today that sounds like they were terribly "ripped-off". When the land was acquired it was barren/bush/undeveloped, today the farms are developed, have homesteads and are worth a shitload more money than that which is being offered for them.

Oh shit, this sounds like what happened in New Zealand.

[Skyryder]

And the problem, WINJA and Skyryder, with South Africans coming to New Zealand is........?

Al

The Broderbond

http://gin007.tripod.com/era.html

Skyryder

[Fart]

I HOPE WE DONT GET ANOTHER BIG INFLUX OF SOUTH AFRICANS COMING IN CAUSE OF THIS SHIT , THERES ENOUGH OF THEM HERE ALREADY

The SA I've met are pretty cool. I welcome them.

I dont mind who comes in, as long as they are decent people who respects the law and this country.

[Fart]

South Africans are hot. They also have an awesome choice in motorcycles.

Also, they are trained in some jobs that kiwis can't get trained in now. Eg General pathology as a specialisation.

Really sad to hear this but.. means we might get some more over here

It is very hard for a doctor to practice in NZ. Overseas docs have to reapply and go through hard exams to practice here. My gf is a 4th year medical student.

[Skyryder]

Black land was not taken from the tribes, it was exchanged for food/blankets/goods. Today that sounds like they were terribly "ripped-off". When the land was acquired it was barren/bush/undeveloped, today the farms are developed, have homesteads and are worth a shitload more money than that which is being offered for them.
Al

It seems that your response is the result of your arpetheid education system.

There have been numerous conflicts over land in South Africa. In 1659 a Khoikhoi rebellion led by Doman broke out due to the encroachment of their lands by Dutch pastoralists. This was a failure. During the ensuing years further conflict erupted over the same issues with their defeat in 1677.

Demand for the same resources(land and water) erupted in the 1779 to 1781 between the Boers and the Xhosa. In the second war of 1796 the Xhosa regained their land which was acknowledged in law. However in 1795 the Boers in Graaff-Reinet rebelled expelling the magistrate and setting up and independent Republic.

The early history of South Africa is filled with these types of conflicts between setters and the natives.

So much for the beads and blankets for land theory that you postulate.

Skyryder