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    Who paid for the biscuits?

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    FFS.

    We have cities choking with traffic - much of the country is at a standstill morning and evening - the major cities at least. Here we have a potential solution (along with cycling etc.) that offers an opportunity to help reduce the problem and yet it seems to be hitting road blocks (pun intended) at every bloody turn. Yes we need to consider better the safety of pedestrians and some basic application of road law sense for scooter users, but it would actually be great to see more people applying common sense and looking for ways to enable this to work. Obviously the culture around scooter use needs to be calibrated so as to be sympathetic to other road users. Equally, other road users need to be more considerate of scooters using the roads.

    Anyone who has been to the Netherlands can appreciate that the system can work just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Sichoe View Post
    Who paid for the biscuits?
    Whoever pays the most road charges should get the most biscuits.
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Whoever pays the most road charges should get the most biscuits.
    A complex answer.

    Given that roading is funded through a variety of streams, (tax, rates, vehicle reg, RUC) it's hard to know who is paying most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    NZ'ers reactions to these scooters are surprising and saddening. So we have a new form of transport that is proving popular. "hurr durr let's ban them! they're on my road/footpath/cycle lane hurr durr government save me!!". Is it so fucking hard to just adapt to the things around us? Do we really need government stepping in and saving us from every little thing in this world? Why do things like this polarise people and galvanise their weirdly incoherent opinions on alternative transport?
    An interesting answer - from someone whose town doesn't yet have the things.

    I'll make a stab at a prediction. Given the rising number of reported ACC claims resulting from their use, I'll predict that the first fatality will see them gone.

    FWIW, my initial enquiry was as to where I stood for damage to my vehicle if I hit one - or it hit me. I'm going to assume they have public liability insurance.
    Anyone know for sure ? Does the app give the user the option to insure ?

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    Limes t’s and c’s, which if your riding have agreed to. It’s all the riders responsibility. Do you need a credit card? Surely not as I’ve seen kids on them.https://www.li.me/en-nz/user-agreement

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    What do you need to ride them?

    On its app, users are told the following rules and regulations:

    A helmet is required

    Do not ride on the sidewalk

    Don't ride downhills

    Have a valid driver's license

    You are 18 years or older

    Ride at your own risk

    ...

    but then;

    E-scooters can be used on the footpath or the road, according to the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA).

    The scooters can be used on cycle paths, which are physically separated by a barrier or are off the road altogether but they could not be used in designated cycle lanes.

    Designated cycle lanes are painted onto the road surface and have no barrier in between.

    A spokeswoman for NZTA said this was because those cycle lanes were "for the sole use of cyclists".

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    "The NZTA states we don't require helmets to ride these scooters, however if it's raining or if you do intend on riding on the road for a long period we do recommend wearing a helmet," Rowe said.

    so it's basically 'who knows' and I agree with the poster that said this will all be locked down after the first few deaths.

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    "Please government save me and my delicate sensibilities! Please regulate more! REGULATE AND TAX!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    "Please government save me and my delicate sensibilities! Please regulate more! REGULATE AND TAX!"
    It would not be complete without both some new legislation AND a new tax. Perhaps a new working group as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post
    If the lime scooter was being ridden by a vaping hipster with an oiled beard, does it count as man slaughter or a public service?

    Discuss
    Public service...
    Especially if they have their hair tied up in a "man bun".
    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Do drink-driving regs apply? These could be ideal for getting home after a few bevvies (ie at the point where you *might* be over the limit but still, in your opinion, ok to drive, but not totally shitfaced)
    Apparently not after 11pm however...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Whoever pays the most road charges should get the most biscuits.
    Trucks?

    So who then does the cleaning up after dinner, those that do the most damage?

    I do snigger at the headlined saying "Lime scooters x many ACC claims already." Again, meaningless statistics. Of course they will increase rapidly, probably proportional to their use....but what's the ratio of claims against other modes of transport on a per head basis....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Do drink-driving regs apply? These could be ideal for getting home after a few bevvies (ie at the point where you *might* be over the limit but still, in your opinion, ok to drive, but not totally shitfaced)
    My uncle was once charged with "Drunk in charge of a horse" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    My uncle was once charged with "Drunk in charge of a horse" ...

    If you are seen to be"Endangering" others (or yourself) ...
    horses are pretty sensible and if he gets on it shitfaced it probably just went "You again, fuck this shit, I am ambling home"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    horses are pretty sensible and if he gets on it shitfaced it probably just went "You again, fuck this shit, I am ambling home"
    As the story was told ... that was pretty much how it was. And by no means ... was it the first time. The horse knew the way home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    A complex answer.

    Given that roading is funded through a variety of streams, (tax, rates, vehicle reg, RUC) it's hard to know who is paying most.
    The person paying the most for the least return would be the avid vehicle collector that can only drive one at a time.
    Mark my words, we are only a short time away from someone having a nasty accident possibly resulting in death on one of these machines, you only need to glance at one to work out why.
    Some proper sized wheels would go a long way to making them safer.

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