Four dead and two hurt today

[nerrrd]

Did he crash? Was he in a group? Did he cause a near crash?
Do you have a point?

I think he does.

Sure the way might have been clear for him this time, and maybe it will be next time, and the next, by which time riding this way becomes a habit for him or her, familiarity becomes contempt, and the risk of misjudging the next intersection increases.

Or, depending on how tight the roundabout was, it might have been the only way he or she could get the Harley around it lol. And turning those indicator thingies on and off gets awfully complicated at times.

[jasonu]

Even riding in the same lane as another motorbike can be dangerous. I'm following someone in the right lane on the motorway, he was in the RH wheel track so I was to his left and should have been clearly visible.

We're coming up to an off ramp, he hits the brakes at the last minute and exits. I was a safe distance behind, but still had to brake to avoid him.

You should have followed him and punched him right in the cock at the first opportunity.

[Fresh Oats]

Thankfully JAG is on maternity leave otherwise she'd probabaly have banned motorcycles by now.

The anti motorcycle movement is spinning up, enjoy your petrol powered monster while you still can, lads

Wait what? there's an anti-motorbike "movement"? jesus christ...
Middle class stay at home mums with nothing better to do and absolutely no experience with motorbikes no doubt.

[Paul in NZ]

Wait what? there's an anti-motorbike "movement"? jesus christ...
Middle class stay at home mums with nothing better to do and absolutely no experience with motorbikes no doubt.

I would venture to suggest that middle class stay at home mums are the demographic least represented in motorcycle accident statistics

[SaferRides]

You should have followed him and punched him right in the cock at the first opportunity.

The thought did briefly cross my mind. But it was a nice day, I had an almost new rear tyre, and I was only a few minutes from the back roads of the North Waikato.

[rastuscat]

Saw an old guy on a Harley blow through a double lane roundabout. Ignored the lane markings, no indication, changed lanes again just after the roundabout with no indication, only form of PPE was a black hard hat of some kind.

Long live Darwinism.

[FJRider]

Saw an old guy on a Harley blow through a double lane roundabout. Ignored the lane markings, no indication, changed lanes again just after the roundabout with no indication, only form of PPE was a black hard hat of some kind.

I've seen Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and yes even Moto-Guzzi riders do the same thing. What is you point/issue .. ???

[FJRider]

Wait what? there's an anti-motorbike "movement"? jesus christ...
Middle class stay at home mums with nothing better to do and absolutely no experience with motorbikes no doubt.

Do the search on facebook. There's bound to be one ...

[pritch]

I would venture to suggest that middle class stay at home mums are the demographic least represented in motorcycle accident statistics

Yeah, some of them do bugger-all but sit around in Parliament all day.

[eldog]

Group rides can be safe and enjoyable.

The key is people not getting too close to each other

Familiarity breeds contempt..

Saw an old guy on a Harley blow through a double lane roundabout. Ignored the lane markings, no indication, changed lanes again just after the roundabout with no indication, only form of PPE was a black hard hat of some kind.

Long live Darwinism.

I've seen Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and yes even Moto-Guzzi riders do the same thing. What is you point/issue .. ???

Being old, does that mean Darwinism doesn’t work?
Or does being old mean that there maybe experience and skill.

With more road users, you have to be more careful.

very few road users ‘think about others’ less about motorbikes.

[FJRider]

Being old, does that mean Darwinism doesn’t work?

Nothing to do with "Darwinism" ... simply ignoring / obeying a rule if it suits ...

Picking and choosing which rule suits them best at the time ... especially if they think/know they'll get away with it.

Knowing a rule is one thing ... but few know (or care) about the exceptions to those rules ...

Members of the "I know my rights" brigade live by these principals ...

[Ginge09]

Dragging this back to my initial point...

We need to do business better. Motorcycling is essentially about freedom and fun but coming home dead defeats both.

If we killed four tourists or four truckies in a single day we’d be talking about it but probably not doing anything different ourselves.

We need to do things differently. Preaching to the converted here because we’re all alive and posting on the the forum.

Group rides are dangerous. Occasional riders are dangerous . The start of the riding season is dangerous.

It’s not rocket surgery.

[rastuscat]

Dragging this back to my initial point...

We need to do business better. Motorcycling is essentially about freedom and fun but coming home dead defeats both.

If we killed four tourists or four truckies in a single day we’d be talking about it but probably not doing anything different ourselves.

We need to do things differently. Preaching to the converted here because we’re all alive and posting on the the forum.

Group rides are dangerous. Occasional riders are dangerous . The start of the riding season is dangerous.

It’s not rocket surgery.

I'll pick something from my comment on the Lime scooters thread.

It's not the vehicle that's dangerous. It's the way the vehicle is used.

[Berries]

Less of this 'we' shit would be good as well.

[OddDuck]

Less of this 'we' shit would be good as well.

+1, I doubt that the bikers we're discussing bother with forums... or ATGATT... or RideForever... or... you get the idea