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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipper2T View Post
    Sorry, this is self serving nonsense. You can't just "divide by 2.5" to get a much lower number while leaving the graph label as 40+. If you want to make assumptions about where the 34 fatalities(2016) in the 40+ category sit in terms of 10 year age groups, fine, but don't just leave out more than half the deaths and then claim there's no obvious pattern. There is, older riders, are disproportionately responsible for fatal motorycycle accidents.
    Well, let's try this again. This graph compares under 40s and over 40s directly. Comparing the totals over the whole period, there are 20% fewer under 40s.

    It's not a huge difference, and we don't know the relative number of riders in each category.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipper2T View Post
    . There is, older riders, are disproportionately responsible for fatal motorycycle accidents.

    I do not think you can make such a hard statement ..

    There are three age bands - 20-29, 30-39 and 40+

    40+ covers at least 30 years - and probably more ... so right there it is likely that the numbers of actual riders in that age group is way higher ...

    The only real way to work it out is to take either

    1) The number of deaths in each group as a percentage of the total .. or

    2) split the age group into 10 year components.

    It is, as I said, an indication that older return to riding or new riders are at greater risk
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    From the last Census result, 09-14 published in 2015:

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    Unfortunately the census data does not break into the same 40+ group as the ACC used, splitting at 45+ instead, so the data is not exactly comparable.

    From a km traveled perspective, riders 45+ do 61% of the total distance traveled. If the accident rate was proportional to distance traveled then this group should make up close to 2/3 of the death statistics. Based on the 2014 ACC death statistics, the over 40's make up 53% of the deaths. More alarming to me is the 15-29 group that travel 13% of the distance but accounts for 30% of the deaths. The in-betweeners 30-44 travel 27% of the distance but 30-39 years makes up 16% of the deaths.

    So my take is that the most statistically at-risk group is younger riders, the middle group are least at risk, and us old farts are dying in larger number simply because we've got more freedom to ride a lot more than the rest.

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    I could quickly pull out the exact ages of all the riders who have died so you can make graphs a plenty but it would just continue the circular argument that always results. There are too many factors we don't know that are needed to make any valid comment on trends or patterns or to blame one group or another. Without context all the graphs are too basic.

    So more older people are killed. Is that because more of them ride than young ones? Is it because they cover longer distances and have more exposure or do they do shorter distances so don't keep their skill levels up? Is it because they can afford $$$$ on a bike that is more form over function and can't go round corners like the sports bike they might have have downgraded from? If they can afford it is that what they actually did? Is it because all that free time means they can take the wife on the back and fuck the handling up when cornering? Is the fact these crashes are in the afternoons tied up with blood sugar levels, weak bladders or just needing a wee nap?

    Without enough information it is way too easy to jump to conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post

    As long as they provide it to all drivers on the road.

    Hmmm - my 16 year old son got his learners recently - there is nothing (other than insurance) to stop me teaching him how to drive in my XR6. And when he gets his restricted he can drive anything on his own.

    How is that correct when the under 25 males are statistically a higher accident risk on the roads?

    Motorcyclists are a easy target for media, government and the likes - relative low numbers so we won't rock a election, and make great headlines for the press as non-riders think we are all mental anyway (maybe we are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    - relative low numbers so we won't rock a election, and make great headlines for the press as non-riders think we are all mental anyway (maybe we are).
    remember the bumper stickers, 250000 licensed gun owners are also voters, we have enough we just don't unite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    remember the bumper stickers, 250000 licensed gun owners are also voters, we have enough we just don't unite...

    That's a good point.

    Was there not some MC protest ride some years back to parliament or something and some of the riders fell off .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    I have become a bit afraid of riding in anything but perfect conditions, with people I trust. I guess I have buried a few biker frends but more have dies of drugs or cancer. I have got to the stage where I look at any unknown rider and wonder if their perception of road hazards/risks is the same as mine.

    At easter we took vintage military bikes down to Wanaka from Gisborne and had a brillant trip, didnt have any problems other than breakdowns, my interests these days is certanly towards vintage bikes because of the risks riding at high speed. Who would have thought that after 40 years on two wheels I would finally become wary of motorcycling.

    How many folk here have taken up the ride forever cources?
    Yea I should do one of those courses.
    I never learned to ride, no one ever showed me and no one I know rides. My learning period was "I just brought my first motorbike and I'm gonna ride it around in circles in our back paddock for a week or two".
    Mind you, the paddock was rather muddy (especially after a few circles) so it wasn't terrible training. But still, all my experience in learning has been personal, no ones shown or taught me anything. So I do wonder at times if I'm doing some basic things wrong and have some pretty bad habits that might bite me in the butt down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    remember the bumper stickers, 250000 licensed gun owners are also voters, we have enough we just don't unite...
    I got my knees in the breeze bro, I don't want to unite with those adventure bike homo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    I got my knees in the breeze bro, I don't want to unite with those adventure bike homo's.
    No apostrophe used in plural of "homo".....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    So more older people are killed. Is that because more of them ride than young ones? Is it because...
    Younger riders go shorter distances to shag their bit of fluff.
    Oldies are on the road more so as to not get nagged from 'er indoors & endless chores to be done.

    A possible theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KezzaCFC View Post
    This help?
    With the top age group probably accounting for well over half the riders on the road, and far more actual miles?

    Not a jot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi View Post
    I did a ride forever course yesterday. 6 riders with anything from 5 to 30 years experience. All have done advanced riding training....

    .....At the start of the day not everyone was convinced of the value of being there. At the end of the day we all wanted to do it again and bring our riding friends. It was one day, one solitary day. Imagine how good we could get if we did two or three of these things a year and actually practiced stuff in between....

    .....There will always be tragedy, Injury and sadly, loss of life on our roads. That said, would you not consider it smart to do something that gives you an improved chance of avoiding strife or, if it finds you anyway, getting out of it......

    Thanks Ulsterkiwi,

    That's what I was trying to say.

    We can tweak the statistics as much as we like ( who are you people?) but we can also get a bit of training and recognise the inherent danger in what we do.

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