What do YOU want out of your racing?

[Kickaha]

Dom should build a bucket a RS125 housed bucket cause he was the man on one of those

If he builds a bucket we'll kick his arse, done it in the past when we both rode Identical bikes so I don't see why I can't do it again
(providing I can build a motor that dosn't blow up)

Dom's on 24

[Kickaha]

Because there's no incentive for the truly skillfull riders to join in. Bernard racing's doing what they can to find new talent but it's not enough. If Hayden Fitzgerald, who can win at will in NZ, can't finnish in the top ten in Austrailia, what hope in hell have we got on the world stage?

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All the incentive I need is to prove to myself I can beat the guys I'm racing against and thats the same for most people I know

What do you consider an incentive, money? trips overseas to race?

[FROSTY:Me]

Kick I think the point trashy is making is that beyond bucket racing,Bike rqacing in NZ is pretty darned expensive with very little sponsorship available.
There is a point you can go no furthur except to move overseas.
thinking about it -We have pro footballers,cricketers even archers but NO NZ based racers.

[Kickaha]

Kick I think the point trashy is making is that beyond bucket racing,Bike rqacing in NZ is pretty darned expensive with very little sponsorship available.
There is a point you can go no furthur except to move overseas.
thinking about it -We have pro footballers,cricketers even archers but NO NZ based racers.

It's a low profile sport because it isn't marketed to the same extent as the others

We are geographically isolated and it doesnt make sense to base yourself down the bottom of the world to race overseas and race locally when they wont provide the same level of competition, the only way the level gets higher is for guys to race off shore and then continue to race when they get back here to lift the level of the local riders.

We have a small population base so the amount of available sponsorship money is limited and generally goes to higher profile sports but the people I know who wanted money to race go out and find it instead of bitching about how they cant find any and generally they get it

I want $10,000 to do a full on competitve season in the sidecars and I will get it, I know it wont be easy and I dare say there will be a few rejections but we'll find it

[username]

[QUOTE=TwoSeven]
Being successful in motorcycle racing in any country especially NZ does NOT require money - thats an excuse that pessimists use to raise the bar so that they can make people fail - a cultural thing that is quite common here.

A decade or so ago, I put my bike on the track (when it was newish) and did a resonable time which was slightly off the local record that then existed, from then on I realised that the last few seconds was all about money and effort and risking injury which I never had any interest in. In those days tho I was blindingly fit and had been riding 12 hour days for the previous year or so
(2 posts in this thread by Two Seven)

Now can anybody else see the irony of this idiot contradicting himself?
Ohh and Two Seven. Yes you know me.You spout the same shit at a club race meeting. Funny You are also the last person to step up to the plate and help out.
I for one will take your comments seriously if you actually do more than talk the talk at your local club.
Sometimes if you give a person enough rope they will as they say Hang Themselves

[username]

I want $10,000 to do a full on competitve season in the sidecars and I will get it, I know it wont be easy and I dare say there will be a few rejections but we'll find it

Mr Kickaha,If it isn't a deep dark secret I would like to know how you're going to do it.

[FROSTY:Me]

username--getting sponsorship is all about getting out there and asking.
I beleive "as a rule" most potential sponsors want to know -Whats in it for me.
The assistance Ive received has been because I have and will continue to promote certain peoples products.
Keep in mind its not just money ya need-its STUFF
rather than say going to cycletreads and saying--Hi -give me $1000 to help me race. You'de be better to say --Hey guys I'm using youre cgy brand tyres and I love them can you supply me 3 sets and in exchange at every meeting Ill pass around Cycletreads flyers.
Ya see -win-win

[TwoSeven]

[QUOTE=username]

Being successful in motorcycle racing in any country especially NZ does NOT require money - thats an excuse that pessimists use to raise the bar so that they can make people fail - a cultural thing that is quite common here.

A decade or so ago, I put my bike on the track (when it was newish) and did a resonable time which was slightly off the local record that then existed, from then on I realised that the last few seconds was all about money and effort and risking injury which I never had any interest in. In those days tho I was blindingly fit and had been riding 12 hour days for the previous year or so
(2 posts in this thread by Two Seven)

Now can anybody else see the irony of this idiot contradicting himself?
Ohh and Two Seven. Yes you know me.You spout the same shit at a club race meeting. Funny You are also the last person to step up to the plate and help out.
I for one will take your comments seriously if you actually do more than talk the talk at your local club.
Sometimes if you give a person enough rope they will as they say Hang Themselves

I think you might mistake me for someone else. Last time I was in a local club was the scouts back in the 70s.

Also, I think you juxtapose two different parts of a discussion to come up with the wrong answer. But to answer the point that you are making even tho it had nothing to do with my points, let me use an example.

Recently I watched a bunch of people racing on bikes that they'd pretty much assembled themselves out of other people unwanted junk. They enjoyed themselves, they supported each other, they competed, they demonstrated skill - I certainly didnt see them moaning about how much it cost them to compete (in fact I think the joke was how cheap they managed it). These people achieved what they did because they set a goal and did it, then worried about the 'how to' only when they needed to. People who are successful in any field, usually master this skill quite easily.

I cited my own example as I had a machine, set my goal went out and achieved it, did I want to progress further - no, because I had other priorities. Should I have chosen to stay in bike racing, I suspect I would have achieved the goals I set there as well, even without having the money - instead I moved to a field I am more passionate about - my point here, was that there were other factors that reduced my motivation to proceed with this sport.

Ask anyone who has brought a house, do they all go out and get the money first - probably not, in fact there are many people who buy houses with the most minimal of deposits they can use - I have even heard of people buying a house, then trying to get the deposit together - why because they are confident in their own abilities to solve those problems only when they need to - rather than use them as excuses to prevent them from doing things in the first place. The point I make here, is that humans have a propensity to resolve problems just in time no matter how big a hurdle they form - only those without the desire use those hurdles as barriers.

You give me the impression that you have some vision that racing involves some mega millions of dollars - I dont know where you got this from, perhaps you watch too much TV. Yes, as you go up the scale of professionalism, more amounts are used, but remember that also as you go up the scale of professionalism, so does your ability to utilise whats on offer to you - in fact, perhaps you'll learn the fundemental principle of business is to always use other peoples money. Racing professonally has never been about how well you can ride in circles - its about your capability of developing and working your team to achieve its goals - when you work out that the goals are not always about riding the bike, you'll understand what it is to run a business and manage a team effectively. When you learn to develop and realise business strategy, you'll understand that its never about the money, never has been. The smart people will have realised its about how well you can develop and communicate your ideas. Its why I suggested that if people have mentors that show them how to do things properly, they wont have to spend as much time resovling barriers that probably dont need to exist.

I think you really need to spend some time understanding the capabilities of people before you start out on the personal flame war which you seem to be trying to instigate. To me you are creating the imagry of a little child throwing a tantrum because they lack the ability to communicate effectively. Thats how I see your posts at the moment - although perhaps you may not intend them that way

I'm still waiting for you to make your point I asked you to in my last post. In what way is teamwork and motiviation and family support bad ?

[username]

So mr bigmouth. You are telling me you have never been to a bucket race meeting ? You have never offered "sage" advise to all concerned and nearly got yourself thrown out?
Keep pontificating sunshine Its funny seeing a little man blow up his chest and get indignant over the computer.
No flame war here I've just seen your ill timed and ill informed drivvel for long enough.
If you have such issues with how racing in New Zealand is done then pull your finger out and help.
It seems Im not allowed to express myself in language I would use face to face. So I'll put it like this. Put up or shut up

[FROSTY:Me]

Ok guys as much fun as this is .........
username/TwoSeven -How about you guys carry on your arguments in the real world or on PM.

[White trash]

So you need to prove it to yourself K? You don't need to race and throw thousands at the sport to prove that (well you guys do) but any road rider can get to a track, be timed or better still, ride with the racers, and prove themselves there.

I wanna know what the incentive is for me, to chuck a shitload of cash at something, so that I can then see a flag, which told me pretty much what I knew to start with.

As the title of the thread suggests, everybody's in it for different reasons and power to them, they've more commitment in one toe than I've got in my whole body, but to me, it's pointless.

Now if someone did what they've done in the UK with the Virgin R6 cup and said, top 3 get a career racing bikes? Where do I fucken sign?! I'd eat nothing but two minute noodles for a couple of seasons to give it a crack.

[Coyote]

Now if someone did what they've done in the UK with the Virgin R6 cup and said, top 3 get a career racing bikes? Where do I fucken sign?! I'd eat nothing but two minute noodles for a couple of seasons to give it a crack.

Yeah, if anyones got something like that planned, I'll be up for it

[username]

I wonder if we can get a deal like that for sidecars and buckets?
Any offers,Going going, Yep i thought so GONE

[TwoSeven]

So mr bigmouth. You are telling me you have never been to a bucket race meeting ? You have never offered "sage" advise to all concerned and nearly got yourself thrown out?
Keep pontificating sunshine Its funny seeing a little man blow up his chest and get indignant over the computer.
No flame war here I've just seen your ill timed and ill informed drivvel for long enough.
If you have such issues with how racing in New Zealand is done then pull your finger out and help.
It seems Im not allowed to express myself in language I would use face to face. So I'll put it like this. Put up or shut up

I have no idea what your on about. You seem to be foaming at the mouth about something perhaps someone else did.

I have never been to a bucket racing event - not one that I knew about - bout as close as i have been to buckets is seeing them at other events, dont belong to any clubs of any kind, let alone bike clubs etc etc.

I think you really do have me mistaken for someone else as I pointed out before.

[Kickaha]

so that I can then see a flag, which told me pretty much what I knew to start with..

that you're slow as fuck?

As the title of the thread suggests, everybody's in it for different reasons and power to them, they've more commitment in one toe than I've got in my whole body, but to me, it's pointless.
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pointless? you could say that about life, grow up, get old die! where's the point in that

Now if someone did what they've done in the UK with the Virgin R6 cup and said, top 3 get a career racing bikes? Where do I fucken sign?! I'd eat nothing but two minute noodles for a couple of seasons to give it a crack.

Awesome idea , but once you win that series where do you go?, it would have to be offshore to get a career with bike racing and again I think that would come down to avalable money to get someone the right ride with the right team and in the right series to get them noticed

Keep in mind its not just money ya need-its STUFF

I'd rather have money, while "stuff" is good money can be spent on whatever "stuff" you want or need at the time, having someone give you tyres etc isn't much good if you blow a motor and don't have the cash to repair it