Another F'ing Speeding Ticket.

[Scuba_Steve]

If one vehicle was a 40 tonne truck (or a large SUV) travelling at 90/100 km/hr ... the other a motorcycle ... do you think both vehicles would just stop at the point of impact ... ???

Even the average car will have 3 or 4 times the mass of the average motorcycle. Aside from the likely-hood of the rider implanting himself in the car windscreen ... the final outcome of the rider is not something to look forward to.

You're still not making any valid point, the bike could be stationary & fun fact: it's a bike so it's fucked! If a 40 tonne truck hits it while the bikes going 0km/h or 580km/h, it's fucked!

[FJRider]

Closing speed makes no difference to impact. The difference comes from mass and speed differential between the two objects.

Two bikes the same colliding at the same speed results in the same force on each as one bike hitting a stationary object.

The bikes may become stationary rather rapidly ... but the riders could end up quite some distance away from the impact point. The point and angle of impact will vary with motorcycles ... as they dont have the solid flat frontal areas cars and trucks do.

. Back to the topic.
I like that the OP says 'voluntary tax'. Because the rider chose to flaunt the law, and this consequence is a direct result.

There's a speed limit. Look up the definition of 'limit'.

I think the ones that pay those voluntary taxes ... pay for a lot of things that a compulsory tax might have otherwise have to be implemented to fund.

To those that continue to pay this voluntary tax on my behalf ... thank you for your kind donations ...

[OddDuck]

Ahh, we're arguing about speed again. Le sigh.

Yes, it's real, yes, reducing speed reduces both likelihood of a crash event and also consequences of said crash. It's easy to see and easy to control. Fucking speed cameras. I reckon we're doing it all wrong.

I'd heard years ago that in the UK, speed cameras are posted to accident blackspots. There are warning signs well before the camera. If you get nicked, well, first: you were warned, and second: you scorched it through a blackspot, the fine was deserved. People around you will tell you that, too. Not exactly the ambush and cash grab approach used in NZ. We pretty much hate our cops these days. I'm old enough to remember a time when we didn't.

Let's look at everything else that gets people hurt on the roads, shall we?

- loose stock
- fuel / oil spills
- pea gravel on patch repairs
- bad roads
- cellphones
- medical events behind the wheel or the bars
- discourtesy
- impatience
- distraction
- people who drive slow and pull over never
- fatigue
- drugs
- booze
- idiot tourists
- idiot locals
- entitlement: I have a right to drive attitude
- failure to wear a seatbelt (driving) or proper gear (riding)

It's not as simple as just speed.

[Blackbird]

Ahh, we're arguing about speed again. Le sigh.

Yes, it's real, yes, reducing speed reduces both likelihood of a crash event and also consequences of said crash. It's easy to see and easy to control. Fucking speed cameras. I reckon we're doing it all wrong.

I'd heard years ago that in the UK, speed cameras are posted to accident blackspots. There are warning signs well before the camera. If you get nicked, well, first: you were warned, and second: you scorched it through a blackspot, the fine was deserved. People around you will tell you that, too. Not exactly the ambush and cash grab approach used in NZ. We pretty much hate our cops these days. I'm old enough to remember a time when we didn't.

Let's look at everything else that gets people hurt on the roads, shall we?

- loose stock
- fuel / oil spills
- pea gravel on patch repairs
- bad roads
- cellphones
- medical events behind the wheel or the bars
- discourtesy
- impatience
- distraction
- people who drive slow and pull over never
- fatigue
- drugs
- booze
- idiot tourists
- idiot locals
- entitlement: I have a right to drive attitude
- failure to wear a seatbelt (driving) or proper gear (riding)

It's not as simple as just speed.

Slofox was just having a vent, no more or less and that's the end of the matter. Speed is something within our personal control, as are a heap of the other things on your list. I'm sure that in general, most of us try to do the right thing or at least choose the right time and place for a few antics. End of story, nothing to see here....

[TheDemonLord]

What a novelty - a KB thread with a physics argument and it's not one I've instigated/been involved in.

[bluninja]

You're still not making any valid point, the bike could be stationary & fun fact: it's a bike so it's fucked! If a 40 tonne truck hits it while the bikes going 0km/h or 580km/h, it's fucked!

You are so right and I am so lucky that it was a Ford Ranger and not a truck that used me and my stationary bike to stop with, so my bike was only half fucked. I wonder what would happen if people got ticketed for causing a collision?
Easy peasy, demerit points and fine....and it's not a victimless road traffic offence! After all speed is only a problem if you have a collision.

[Laava]

What a novelty - a KB thread with a physics argument and it's not one I've instigated/been involved in.

Get in there!

[TheDemonLord]

Get in there!

Lord knows I'm tempted - but I think I'm going to see how this plays out...

[jasonu]

. I wonder what would happen if people got ticketed for causing a collision?
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They can and often do that here in Oregon. The offense is called 'failure to maintain control of your vehicle'.

[Swoop]

Simple solution to the OP's problem...

Remove the offending numberplate!

[Oakie]

What a novelty - a KB thread with a physics argument and it's not one I've instigated/been involved in.

I remember watching this one on 'Mythbusters'. Two similar vehicles going at the same speed and hitting head on. They expected they damage would be that same as a vehicle hitting a wall with the combined speeds of the two vehicles ... but no! The miniature mock up suggested no and the full size confirmed it. Two similar vehicles hitting head on at a particular speed only creates the same damage as one vehicle driving into a wall at the same speed. Something to do with both vehicles crumpling.

[pritch]

Cheer up Slofox. If you're going to have a fine, an $80.00 fine is as about as good as it gets.

[BMWST?]

If two vehicles are travelling at 113 km/hr and collide ... impact speed is 226 km/hr. What possible harm could that do ... ???

probably the same as a closing speed of 200km/hr

[FJRider]

probably the same as a closing speed of 200km/hr

So ... no pain involved then ...

[russd7]

meh, we are all just temporary kiwis anyway,

bet that tax collector parked just over the Oreti bridge on the road out to the burt rally site made a killing, damned near got me.