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Thread: Lowering speed limits to 80 (from 100) and 30/40 (from 50)... A research paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I'd also support a higher speed limit, if we were all awesome drivers/riders, who never made mistakes and always paid attention.
    Ain't never gonna happen, we're human & even if we weren't fuckups happen & they're always gonna happen

    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Until then, I'm okay with slowing bad drivers down.
    How bout we just stop giving those people licences (which are often the slow on the road anyhows) & let the rest of us get on with it without the scams
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    You guys heard of VKT? It's vehicle kms travelled, in millions of km.

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    Deaths have been going up, even relative to VKT. The number of deaths and serious injuries can be only partly attributed to the extra vehicle KMs being driven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    and fix the crap roads.
    Amazing that we accept the rubbish we call roads.

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    amazing that crashes still occur on perfectly good roads

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedpro View Post
    amazing that crashes still occur on perfectly good roads
    Apparently that is solely due to speed ........

    I wonder what the crash stats are for the German autobahns

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    looked up some international stats - were on 10 deaths per 100,000 vehicles, Germany was 6.4, Spain 5.7, lowest countries were Sweden, Switzerland, Norway , uk were approx half our rate, worst county was Somalia 6500+ !@!
    as to our roads quality, the engineering levels are fairly good, quality of surface not so great, our heavy transportation cause most of the damage to that, we do
    have a fairly extensive network in comparison to population, so that's going to limit maintenance standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Amazing that we accept the rubbish we call roads.
    Amazing that we are okay for crap drivers to drive at higher speeds on crap roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Apparently that is solely due to speed ........

    I wonder what the crash stats are for the German autobahns
    The good thing about German Autobahns is the ones I recall have 3 lanes and you only use the outside ( fast) lane for overtaking and trucks stay in the left lane.
    they also don't have the two directions side by side on some either, separated by some distance.
    If your on the Autobahn its to get somewhere fast, if your not in a hurry the secondary roads are good too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Amazing that we are okay for crap drivers to drive at higher speeds on crap roads.
    Doesn't matter how good the road is when you pull out to pass a truck on a blind corner .....

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...m_content=tdob

    Side note - I am constantly amazed at the number of motorcyclists I see on the open road passing just before blind corners (or into them for that matter).

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    It is the lack of imagination, real knowledge, funds and supporting relevant data that stops us making roads safer for all. Until someone wakes up and realises this we will keep on getting more razor wires, lower speed limits, speed cameras and "Speed Kills" showed down our throats.

    But soon we will not have to worry as cars will become self driving and be impossible to crash... makes me wonder how motorbikes will be brought in to that... or perhaps they will just become banned??

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    its interesting to read the comments here but there are some facts that can't be denied.
    firstly I do not want the speed limit lowered, I remember the early eighties and the number of tickets I received from the MoT for speeding on my xr250 and that was not a fast bike. and I have an account for fun tax that arrived in the mail last week as well, so I am no angel.
    but we do need to remember there are a lot more vehicles on our roads today than there were back then.

    this causes a whole raft of problems and issues that are hard to get away from,
    firstly the obvious one, I used to be able to ride somewhere and not see many vehicles coming the other way which meant that even on the trusty 250 I had plenty of room to pass anything that I caught up with. not today, even on the zzr I have to think twice.
    there wasn't the distractions like cell phones and in car touchscreens displaying gps etc so people were more involved with their driving rather than with their screens,
    with increased traffic also comes increased road degradation, not only trucks that damage roads, but hey lets just lay the blame on them.
    there are a lot more Remuera tractors on the roads and these are getting bigger as well, personally I think unless someone has a serious need for that type of vehicle then they should be banned. I farmed most of my life and even then struggled to justify those bloody things.
    with increased traffic comes more inexperienced drivers and a lot less opportunities for them to fuck up without doing serious harm, anyone that got their license before the nineties will have made numerous mistakes that they learnt from but got away with because of less traffic.
    modern cars handle way superior to the HQ holdens and XA falcons that I had when I was younger but this also gives young and not so young drivers a belief that they can handle a car.
    lets face it we all know speed does not kill but it does seriously alter any out come of a mishap.
    our roads are shit because councils and the land transport are screwing the roading companies down so they have to find the cheapest option in order to win contracts,
    add to that the extra wear and tear from more traffic and we have roads that have become slippery as hell.
    my bit of rambling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquiztador View Post
    It is the lack of imagination, real knowledge, funds and supporting relevant data that stops us making roads safer for all. Until someone wakes up and realises this we will keep on getting more razor wires, lower speed limits, speed cameras and "Speed Kills" showed down our throats.

    But soon we will not have to worry as cars will become self driving and be impossible to crash... makes me wonder how motorbikes will be brought in to that... or perhaps they will just become banned??
    Self driving cars will still crash it just should be at a much lower rate. Nothings infallible
    They're already trying to price bikes out the market. I would assume they'll continue this while introducing obscene laws until they get numbers low enough a ban won't be looked at twice by 95% of people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conquiztador View Post
    But soon we will not have to worry as cars will become self driving and be impossible to crash... makes me wonder how motorbikes will be brought in to that... or perhaps they will just become banned??
    Not going to be soon, the average age for the private vehicle fleet is apparently 14 years and that's for a mature, proven technology.

    So say another few years for them to get self driving technology accepted by the mainstream, then another few for the manufacturers to ramp up production, then another few for sales to grow, then another few for a decent number of used cars to become available, then add another 14 years to that before most people here can afford one.

    And that's all dependent on the self driving tech being ready to go - call me cynical but I suspect those involved are still having to hype where they're at to attract interest/investment and the existing systems may not be useable enough for widespread adoption (yet). Certainly the 'self driving car' featured in the Chorus ads looks singularly unimpressive to me.

    If the government gets involved though, they could speed things up a bit with taxes/subsidies/tolls/prohibited zones etc.

    I don't think a ban will be required for motorcycles, the ACC levy precedent is well established now so all they need to do is keep ramping it up until motorcycling becomes unaffordable for most. And reducing the numbers of bikes on the road will definitely have a positive effect on the road toll numbers, sad but true.

    I don't see the need to lower the speed limit (the cars etc which pass me on a regular basis as I try to stick to the limit rarely go flying off the road) but if the people who know stuff can demonstrate that doing so will reduce the level of accident or injury then I would struggle to object.
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    its not gonna be user owns the vehicle with self driving... it's gonna be similar to the UBER model where you just hail / it picks you up then it goes offline to charge when it wants etc.... personal ownership of primary transport will cease --- once the fleet is big enough and CONVENIENT ENOUGH you'll see car sales / driveables gone then outlawed soon after

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