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    Quote Originally Posted by Scubbo View Post
    its not gonna be user owns the vehicle with self driving... it's gonna be similar to the UBER model where you just hail / it picks you up then it goes offline to charge when it wants etc.... personal ownership of primary transport will cease --- once the fleet is big enough and CONVENIENT ENOUGH you'll see car sales / driveables gone then outlawed soon after
    Sure, but I doubt even that is likely to happen 'soon' (especially in NZ). Still a long, long way from mass production (in the numbers that would be needed for that scenario) from what I've seen.

    And will that model even be economically viable? That still has to be tested in practice.
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    Ooh look, everyone wants to go to work. Now.

    There will be a 2.4 hour wait. Recalculating. . . .



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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Ooh look, everyone wants to go to work. Now.

    There will be a 2.4 hour wait. Recalculating. . . .



    I wont be investing in a company that buys more cars to be unused for 80% of the time.
    I have the solution!! Public transport driverless busses... hey... wait...

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    driverless bullshit ! , i don't know anyone who even thinks they're a good idea , let alone anyone who has admitted even to considering buying or using one

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    as to driverless truck's, that "might" work on road going deliverys, but my job requires on farm deliveries, and no computer is going to get a truck around farm tracks, or get a stuck truck out of a bog hole....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporary-Kiwi View Post
    as to driverless truck's, that "might" work on road going deliverys, but my job requires on farm deliveries, and no computer is going to get a truck around farm tracks, or get a stuck truck out of a bog hole....
    I think your job is safe.
    Lets go Brandon

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    Some people are getting the message...
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/n...ectid=12241342

    I think we have enough information to suggest that the speed call - that is the lowering of limits to 80km/h and 60km/h - to help solve our road toll is yet another headline-grabbing sop.

    It's designed to make people look like they might be doing something, apart from just sitting around fretting.

    The road toll, of course, is bad. But it has been worse. And the road toll gets a lot of attention, and increasingly so, not because we are determined to lower it, but because we haven't been able to lower it, and thus we've become fixated with it. Therefore, we come up with increasingly irrational answers.

    So in just the past week we've been delivered a few facts. It's not like these facts haven't been available, it's just we don't pay attention to them until we have another bad weekend on the roads, the media pumps out yet another headline, and the road lobby groups leap on board.

    There have been no deaths on the new multi-lane 110km/h roads with median strips. None. Conclusion? Quality roads reduce the death toll.

    At the weekend, North Canterbury police picked up 16 drunks in two hours. Conclusion? No matter what the fines and warnings, there are some people who can't help themselves.

    We are too soft on drunk drivers, but when you take that North Canterbury number, and look at the death and injury toll through drink and drugs, it is an alarming contribution.

    And now, the quality of cars. Our fleet is old - the last time I checked about 14 years old. As a comparison, my understanding is that in Australia it's 10 years. What makes this worrisome is that second-hand cars are cheaper than Australia. So why aren't we buying better cars?

    The opening up of the used Japanese market revolutionised car buying here. It made cars genuinely accessible. Unfortunately, we like cheap, and cheap is trouble. Dangerous cars with low safety ratings add to our injury and death rate.

    And not to excuse the death or injury rate, but what most of us forget each time we angst publicly about it, is we have more people on the roads and we have never had more cars. More cars means more crashes.

    So if we were to be honest about all this, there are things we can do. Build better roads, and get better cars.

    And I'm not against Greg Murphy's idea of retesting people. How many accidents happen because people aren't awake or alert? They fundamentally treat driving as a lark, and do stupid things? How many of us would fail a test if we re-sat one after 30 years behind the wheel? How many crashes happen because a kid got a cooked-up engine because they're cheap, and drove like an idiot?

    And we want to blame the speed limit? It's not the speed limit; it's what you do with speed. Many would agree 100km/h is fine if the road is straight, the day is fine, the traffic is clear, and your car is modern. It's not if it's round a tight bend you didn't see coming because you're stoned.

    Myriad circumstances collectively make up the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Some people are getting the message...
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/n...ectid=12241342

    I think we have enough information to suggest that the speed call - that is the lowering of limits to 80km/h and 60km/h - to help solve our road toll is yet another headline-grabbing sop.

    It's designed to make people look like they might be doing something, apart from just sitting around fretting.

    The road toll, of course, is bad. But it has been worse. And the road toll gets a lot of attention, and increasingly so, not because we are determined to lower it, but because we haven't been able to lower it, and thus we've become fixated with it. Therefore, we come up with increasingly irrational answers.

    So in just the past week we've been delivered a few facts. It's not like these facts haven't been available, it's just we don't pay attention to them until we have another bad weekend on the roads, the media pumps out yet another headline, and the road lobby groups leap on board.

    There have been no deaths on the new multi-lane 110km/h roads with median strips. None. Conclusion? Quality roads reduce the death toll.

    At the weekend, North Canterbury police picked up 16 drunks in two hours. Conclusion? No matter what the fines and warnings, there are some people who can't help themselves.

    We are too soft on drunk drivers, but when you take that North Canterbury number, and look at the death and injury toll through drink and drugs, it is an alarming contribution.

    And now, the quality of cars. Our fleet is old - the last time I checked about 14 years old. As a comparison, my understanding is that in Australia it's 10 years. What makes this worrisome is that second-hand cars are cheaper than Australia. So why aren't we buying better cars?

    The opening up of the used Japanese market revolutionised car buying here. It made cars genuinely accessible. Unfortunately, we like cheap, and cheap is trouble. Dangerous cars with low safety ratings add to our injury and death rate.

    And not to excuse the death or injury rate, but what most of us forget each time we angst publicly about it, is we have more people on the roads and we have never had more cars. More cars means more crashes.

    So if we were to be honest about all this, there are things we can do. Build better roads, and get better cars.

    And I'm not against Greg Murphy's idea of retesting people. How many accidents happen because people aren't awake or alert? They fundamentally treat driving as a lark, and do stupid things? How many of us would fail a test if we re-sat one after 30 years behind the wheel? How many crashes happen because a kid got a cooked-up engine because they're cheap, and drove like an idiot?

    And we want to blame the speed limit? It's not the speed limit; it's what you do with speed. Many would agree 100km/h is fine if the road is straight, the day is fine, the traffic is clear, and your car is modern. It's not if it's round a tight bend you didn't see coming because you're stoned.

    Myriad circumstances collectively make up the picture.

    Our obsession with an ideologically driven grab-bag of headline solutions is a problem. We're all talk, no action.
    The engineering of roads is the gold plated solution, as proven by the 110 kmh roads up North. Trouble is, the money has to come from somewhere.

    Until then, should we just do nothing else? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The engineering of roads is the gold plated solution, as proven by the 110 kmh roads up North. Trouble is, the money has to come from somewhere.

    Until then, should we just do nothing else? Really?
    why does the "else" need to be running NZs biggest scam?
    Why not harass bad drivers? Why not start with the worst/most dangerous & work up to the "just breaking arbitrarily rules" when they're all sorted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The engineering of roads is the gold plated solution, as proven by the 110 kmh roads up North. Trouble is, the money has to come from somewhere.

    Until then, should we just do nothing else? Really?
    If 'else' means writing a pile of money grabbing tickets or needlessly lowering the limits which will also equal writing money grabbing tickets then no. If 'else' means toughening up the license tests and slamming the actual dangerous drivers then yes.
    Lets go Brandon

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    This point may have already been made, but I'm not about to wade through ten pages to find out.
    In 1973 the road toll was 843, NZ's highest ever, the open road speed limit was 80kmh at that time.
    Do these idiots not study history or precident?
    I wonder if politicians wake up in the night & think "fuck, I've got a great idea I'm going to take that in to work tomorrow"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    This point may have already been made, but I'm not about to wade through ten pages to find out.
    In 1973 the road toll was 843, NZ's highest ever, the open road speed limit was 80kmh at that time.
    Do these idiots not study history or precident?
    I wonder if politicians wake up in the night & think "fuck, I've got a great idea I'm going to take that in to work tomorrow"
    1973. No compulsory seatbelts. No airbags. No crumple zones. Drink driving was even more rampant than now.

    Yeah, the good old days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    We're all talk, no action.
    ahhh the kiwi way

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    A definition of madness is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result .
    I thought that was the point. They are proposing something different.

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