Are Brexit and Trump the biggest ever embarrasments!

[sugilite:Me]

Never heard of the (secret) Army of Northern Virginia then? (and no im not referring to the civil war one)....

How little you know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...AxJ_story.html

Hold it, that article is from the Washington Post - so according to your other posts regarding that news organization, we should not believe a word of it?

[austingtir]

Hold it, that article is from the Washington Post - so according to your other posts regarding that news organization, we should not believe a word of it?

Notice the date = 2011

One year before Obama changed the rules on the media propagandizing the US people.


Try again.

[sugilite:Me]

Notice the date = 2011

One year before Obama changed the rules on the media propagandizing the US people.


Try again.

So no fake news pre 2011?

[austingtir]

So no fake news pre 2011?

Alot less than now. They simply could not get away with what they are doing now it would of been illegal.

[austingtir]

Its funny when Zucker doesnt seem to realize he's helping Trump get re-elected again.... That TDS does funny things to people.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...for-next-week/

[Banditbandit]

If it was illegal he wouldnt be able to do it would he?


Try again.

You're quite stupid aren't you ..

They've forced him to change the venue of the G7 for just that reason - what he was doing is illegal for a President .

[TheDemonLord]

So no fake news pre 2011?

Well, yes and no.

There have always been Media outlets with a particular view on subjects - The Guardian for example, however they have been clear about their Bias.

There have been Media outlets that have proported to be neutral - the BBC for example.

In the last decade, the Biased ones have become even more so and the ones that claim to be Neutral have become increasingly Blatant about it.

The prevailing theory is that the changes in the way that News is consumed has caused a shift towards sensationalism and bias.

[Katman]

The prevailing theory is that the changes in the way that News is consumed has caused a shift towards sensationalism and bias.

In other words, the general public has become so stupid that those who control and manipulate the mainstream media know they can easily get away with it.

[TheDemonLord]

In other words, the general public has become so stupid that those who control and manipulate the mainstream media know they can easily get away with it.

Well, I disagree - I think it's more to do with the shift left in the Universities, which produces the career journalists, who then go to work at the organisations, which normalises left-leaning thought, which allows the Universities to shift even further left, which produces more career journalists etc.

I think it's more of a Feedback loop.

The explosion in Popularity of 'Alternative Media' shows that the General Public is only too aware of the blatant manipulation, which is why they aren't consuming it as their primary news source.

[Katman]

Well, I disagree - I think it's more to do with the shift left in the Universities, which produces the career journalists, who then go to work at the organisations, which normalises left-leaning thought, which allows the Universities to shift even further left, which produces more career journalists etc.

I think it's more of a Feedback loop.

The explosion in Popularity of 'Alternative Media' shows that the General Public is only too aware of the blatant manipulation, which is why they aren't consuming it as their primary news source.

Career journalists wouldn't get their stories presented in the mainstream media if the editors didn't want those stories circulated.

And editors present to the general public whatever those who control and manipulate the mainstream media want them to present.

[Viking01]

Well, I disagree - I think it's more to do with the shift left in the Universities, which produces the career journalists, who then go to work at the organisations, which normalises left-leaning thought, which allows the Universities to shift even further left, which produces more career journalists etc.

I think it's more of a Feedback loop.

Interesting.

So, nothing to do with any "prevailing philosophy" already active at the
news organisation, enforced by editors on owners behalf, and reinforced
by journalists learning "what is expected" (and becoming "self managing"
or collect their pink slip) ?

What about right-wing media organisations, who might choose to recruit
more right-wing leaning candidates ?

If this "decreasing spiral" model you expound actually worked, surely then
left-wing media organisations would become progressively more left-wing,
right-wing media organisations would become progressively more right-wing
- and there would be none left in the middle ?

Have to say that it sounds a little like those birds that supposedly fly
in ever-decreasing circles. Until they disappear ...

[TheDemonLord]

Career journalists wouldn't get their stories presented in the mainstream media if the editors didn't want those stories circulated.

And editors present to the general public whatever those who control and manipulate the mainstream media want them to present.

And what political leanings do the Editors have? What Political leanings do those in control have?

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting.

So, nothing to do with any "prevailing philosophy" already active at the
news organisation, enforced by editors on owners behalf, and reinforced
by journalists learning "what is expected" (and becoming "self managing"
or collect their pink slip) ?

It's Certainly a factor - consider this, how many Hardcore left-wing Jouralists are likely to apply to work at The Guardian vs Breitbart?

What about right-wing media organisations, who might choose to recruit
more right-wing leaning candidates ?

There's been a fair amount of study on this - The Right wing hasn't moved substantially in their policies over the last 20-30 years, there has been some shift (especially with the influence of Liberalism into Right-wing politics).

Whereas the Left wing has moved very far-left in the same time period.

If this "decreasing spiral" model you expound actually worked, surely then
left-wing media organisations would become progressively more left-wing,
right-wing media organisations would become progressively more right-wing
- and there would be none left in the middle ?

Who is in the Middle? The only person(s) I can think of would be Tim Poole, possibly Joe Rogan as well (although as a Podcasts he's not really 'news').

Have to say that it sounds a little like those birds that supposedly fly
in ever-decreasing circles. Until they disappear ...

Well, traditional media is on the Decline, so...

[pritch]

In other words, the general public has become so stupid that those who control and manipulate the mainstream media know they can easily get away with it.

You may be somewhat premature with that. The TV channels are definitely working on dumbing down content though so perhaps it's a work in progress.

[Katman]

And what political leanings do the Editors have?

Whatever those who control them tell them to have.

What Political leanings do those in control have?

Therein lies the million dollar question.