Anarchic Wild Child
Yes - and things have changed - namely Brexit - the Scottish vote favored staying in the EU - maybe an other referendum held now would be different.Originally Posted by TheDemonLord
The two are not incompatible .
Furthermore - they want independance, but want closer ties with the EU....
YesThat is when the reality that this is all grandstanding and posturing becomes apparent.
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The Majestic Metal Wizard
No, but logically are mutually exclusive - The Claimed desire for Independence (to be Free of the British Yoke), whilst simultaneously wanting to get greater ties to the EU (Substituting one Yoke for another) is an illogical position.
But back to the Scottish Independence movement - The recent polling shows it to be down around then ~30% mark, despite Brexit.
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Anarchic Wild Child
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
There is a big difference between being ruled from Westminster - and being part of the EU ...
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Hardcore Biker
OK. I'll come clean and admit that I did post the earlier link just to "test the waters". And see if "the fish were biting."
I do agree with your proposition, in that SNP success in the latest UK national election should not be interpreted as an endorsement for another Scottish independence vote. Despite the SNP saying otherwise.
Nor that if another independence vote was to be held in the near future, that there would be an increase in the pro-independence vote count. I seriously doubt there would be an increase.
While the Lib Dem manifesto talked about some arrangement like "limited home rule", I think Scottish voters simply did not place any credibility on Lib Dem capability to make that happen. And that given the Labour "offer" (and the Scottish vote change from Labour - down about 8% - to SNP - up about 8% ), some Scottish voters took their perceived "most palatable" option and voted SNP.
While there is talk about independence from UK rule ("freedom" in the abstract), and that sale of some local Scottish product might be disadvantaged ("tariffed out" of the EU), feel that some of the major practical aspects of being independent would argue against it.
e.g.
UK economic situation
-It might improve post Brexit, so why would you "bail out" of the UK within the next 2-3 years ?
Economic and fiscal disruption that would occur
- Currency or currencies to be used ? Relative strength of a Scottish currency ?
- Guarantor of Scottish national debt ?
- Current shortfall between Scottish national income and spending ?
- Sustainable tax base ?
Allocation of assets to Scotland
- Sufficient to sustain it long term ?
- Oil and Gas: New reserves identified (balanced against cost of development and climate change push-back) ?
Confidence that Scottish rule would improve their economic situation
- Possible lack of business investment confidence ?
- Potential loss of business income by Scottish businesses having contracts in England ?
- Employment opportunities ? Flow of more experienced people south (or east) ?
Border management
- Willing to implement customs checks and controls on flow of goods (like Northern Ireland) ?
- Immigration controls (migrants into Scotland) ?
On the basis of the above, I really can't see any compelling reason for the Scottish voter to "jump ship" at this stage.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Indeed....
Westminster fought against the Fascists
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The Guardian is as reputable as the New York Times.
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Muddled waters over oil & gas revenues then. That would make Scotland reliant on whiskey and oil to prop up the economy after seperating.
And EU handouts.
Sounds like Greece 2.0.
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Geriatric hoon
Before Scotland makes any moves toward independence they should enquire if Europe would have them. The Basques and Catalans have long wanted independence from Spain, and there are a number of other regions within Europe less than happy with their current situation because of ethnic, language, or religious differences.
The European Parliament might see an independent Scotland as encouraging other independence movements, and consequently might not extend the welcome mat.
These areas would like to change their current arrangements:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...-in-europe-map
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England's going. Who is next?
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The Russian collusion natitive died, What's next?
The Majestic Metal Wizard
The Scottish independence issue is an interesting one - firstly they have a vote in 2014 - They voted to stay with the UK, but more importantly that was touted as a generational decision.
On the Flipside, There is a rather valid argument that says since the UK has left the EU, the landscape has changed - and so it may be prudent to ask again.
That said, I see parallels with Brexit and the 'Peoples vote' crowd (who curiously share a lot of overlap with the 'Scottish independence' crows) namely, they asked the people, didn't get the answer they wanted and so now want to ask again.
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Kiwibiker
Yes, With Barr acting as Trumps personal lawyer and all the documented obstruction, the investigation certainly did die a whimpering death - a real win for the American constitution.
Whats next? The farcical impeachment going the same way with more massive amounts of obstruction. The farce I'm referring to is if course the blatant hatchet job on democracy going on in plain sight, all the while politicians and "supporters" of both sides just concentrate on the petty points being scored rather than the train wreck their overall political system has become. "Ohhh Trump has attended a pro life meeting, bet the snowflakes are crying in their soy milk" Pfft, any group or individual who thinks Trump has their back is being moronic in the extreme.
So we have a republican party who all have trumps nuts firmly resting on their chins as he breaks any laws he feels like and a bunch of democrats so disjointedly unorganized that they still have several hundred or so of them running for president less than a year out.
Yes the American political system is the pride of the fan boys, but that is pretty much where it ends these days.
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