Are Brexit and Trump the biggest ever embarrasments!

[TheDemonLord]

Just because I don't find them convincing - and neither do you - does not mean that other people will also find them unconvincing .

They may well find them totally convincing ..

For instance, there are people here who may well find Ayn Rand's ethics of selfishness to be utterly convincing - and looking wider Rand convinced a large number of influential capitalists of the virtue of their selfishness ..

Sure, but in the cases where they have found them convincing - they are either:

1: Completely Amoral (think Psychopaths, Sadists etc.)
or
2: Operating under false assumptions

I can't find any other situation where it could be convincing, and when even the Philosopher can't find them Convincing, it tells me that there is something shared and something deep that both of us hold to - that guides this decision, something neither of us can practically refute (namely, we may say things contrary to it, but we cannot act contrary to it)

You could also point that option 1 is really an offshoot of option 2 - since People like that are unable to empathize with others.

[TheDemonLord]

Well in keeping with the thread title, if Johnson isn't the biggest ever embarrassment, he must now be the most embarrassed.

The Supreme Court in Britain has just ruled that Johnson's five week suspension of Parliament was unlawful. "The Prime Minister's advice to Her Majesty was unlawful, void and of no effect". The decision means that the current situation is as if Johnson's suspension of Parliament never happened.

The decision of a full panel of eleven judges was unanimous. The Speaker is immediately making moves to get Parliament sitting again. Predictably there are already calls for Johnson's resignation.

In the old days he'd have lost more than his job, he'd have lost his head. They took lying to the Queen seriously back then.

The decision by the courts to involve themselves in a Political Matter is both unprecedented and extremely dangerous.

If you are wanting a Civil War, then have 'the establishment' directly oppose 'the people' is a good way to start it.

However, this could all be solved by a General Election - and Comrade Corbyn, despite asking Theresa May for the better part of 2 years every session of Parliament for a General Election has now gone all shy when offered one.

This shows the reality that Labour and the various remain parties would get absolutely wiped - the country wants Brexit, they'd like a Deal but are perfectly happy to risk a No-Deal just to get it over an done with.

[Banditbandit]

The decision by the courts to involve themselves in a Political Matter is both unprecedented and extremely dangerous.

Not, it is not unprecedented .. and yes, it can be risky - but it appears that you are suggesting that Parliament and the PM are above the law.

That is completely wrong. Both Parliament and the PM must act in a legal manner ..

[TheDemonLord]

Not, it is not unprecedented .. and yes, it cab be risky - but it appears that you are suggesting that Parliament and the PM are above the law.

That is completely wrong. Both Parliament and the PM must act in a legal manner ..

Well, yes and no, There's the separation of powers between the Judiciary and the Legislature, there's also the fact that the Courts cannot rule (for example) on a motion or piece of legislation before it's passed into Law.

The Prerogative powers for example are above the Law, they are held by the Monarch, the decision is ultimately with the Queen, but she (by convention) acts on the advise of her Ministers (in this case, the PM).

Although if my understanding is correct, although the Queen holds the power, she can only wield it when requested.

As for the Unprecedented bit - I think JRM mentioned that the last time the courts ruled on a purely Political Matter - it was in the 1600s, so in that manner it's very much unprecedented.

All of this, however, is beside the point - It's all just tactics by people who screech democracy, yet cannot accept that they lost.

[husaberg]

Not, it is not unprecedented .. and yes, it cab be risky - but it appears that you are suggesting that Parliament and the PM are above the law.

That is completely wrong. Both Parliament and the PM must act in a legal manner ..

Don't you just love when some tory gets caught breaking the law they try and suggest they are still right even though the reasons they don't are clearly outlined in the ruling.

But Supreme Court president Lady Hale emphasised in the ruling that the case was "not about when and on what terms" the UK left the EU - it was about the decision to suspend Parliament.

It comes after the court ruled it was impossible to conclude there had been any reason "let alone a good reason - to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks".

Judges said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to the Brexit deadline on 31 October.

But you know facts are not going to stop the people upset they didnt get their own way.

I remember a dude suspended the German Parliament in the thirties so he could do what he wanted.....................

[pete376403]

Jonathan Pie talks about how Boris doesn't understand that running Britain is hard work
https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPie...92474728/?t=14

[Banditbandit]

Sure, but in the cases where they have found them convincing - they are either:

1: Completely Amoral (think Psychopaths, Sadists etc.)
or
2: Operating under false assumptions;

I wonder what false assumptions future generations will think that we hold?

[TheDemonLord]

I wonder what false assumptions future generations will think that we hold?

Likely shitloads.

The question will be why we held them and did we continue to do so in the face of contradictory evidence.

[Katman]

......and did we continue to do so in the face of contradictory evidence.

Well there's currently plenty of evidence of that.

[husaberg]

Well there's currently plenty of evidence of that.

True, there is entire threads of you doing this.
The fumiest are when you claim to know more than doctors about vaccine safety, when your medical experience is likely not even the equivilent to a first aid badge from the boy scouts.
Or the ones where you claim there was no gas chambers and the holocaust was just made up by the hundreds of thousands of those that experienced it.
Especially funny, when the people you claim, can prove it never occurred, even admit that it did.

[Laava]

[austingtir]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Oct 2
The Do Nothing Democrats should be focused on building up our Country, not wasting everyone’s time and energy on BULLSHIT, which is what they have been doing ever since I got overwhelmingly elected in 2016, 223-306. Get a better candidate this time, you’ll need it!

[TheDemonLord]

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Bro...

You need to work on your Pornhub searches....

Either that or your hatred is really a cover for a deep-seated fetish...

[Laava]

Bro...

You need to work on your Pornhub searches....

Either that or your hatred is really a cover for a deep-seated fetish...

I edited your face out and put Putins there. I thought you'ld be happy! There's no pleasing some people...

[TheDemonLord]

I edited your face out and put Putins there. I thought you'ld be happy! There's no pleasing some people...

If you are tugging it to my face, then the problems are far worse than I first feared....