Crash reduction study - bus lanes are a minefield

[Voltaire]

I use the Bus lanes on a regular basis but you have to be on your game for drivers waving others thru and other random actions.
As long as I'm moving I'm happy to be doing less than the limit as give me more time to scan and stop.
Having done the Train Vs scooter/motorcycle comparison I'm mostly taking the train as its only 15 minutes difference in time.

I did my licence test in Silverdale in 1977 having had paid lessons. The test was more than described /\ /\ and the inspector had to pretend we had traffic lights as the nearest ones were in Takapuna.
Parallel parking was also a challenge as had to imagine cars as none around as eveyone had sufficient space to park on their properties.
I've had to do some retests for companies I've worked for and did a couple of training days at Brands Hatch back in the 90's.
Smartphones have made it worse as you see so many drivers on them usually on the down low. Couriers are good at that and they have tints to assist them.

[slofox]

It's kind of victim blaming.

NZ is particularly good at this...we always want a scapegoat. Someone to kick the fuck out of. It's called revenge and it is live and well in The Land of the Long White Cloud.

My ancestors would have said that revenge is a dish best served cold...

[rastuscat]

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[F5 Dave]

32 years ago I passed my driver's license in Auckland as a 15 year old. I turned up for the test with a 6pack of lion red cans in the front seat. The inspector was impressed and said "that will be a pass then". We drove 5 minutes around the block and I had a shiny new car license!

I've never had to resit my license or have any other training since. That's why kiwis are shit at driving.

We should have to resit every 10 years when we renew our license.

Imagine how quickly the driving standard would increase when Johnny Ute Driver is catching the bus to work Monday because he failed.

You'll have to up your game when you resit you licence with me. 6 Behemoth special run cans ought to do it.
I'm not actually a driving tester, but it's only fair to warn you the Lion Red would be a fail.
Actually I call bullshit. Was Lion Red a thing back then?

[Scuba_Steve]

Correct. 10 char.

You sure about tho? I mean sure if we're talking the way it's inforced then yea you're right. But inforcement ≠ legal/law

If we're talking what the national law actually says (which overrules bylaws last I checked) then using them is perfectly legal as motorbikes have not been specifically excluded (unless I'm missing something here, I mean I don't live in or visit, if I can help it, Auckland so haven't seen the signs myself)

[eldog]

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GSR in Penrose can be a busy stretch of road.

bus lanes are viewed as only being accessable by buses, almost everyone would anticipate look out for a large rather slow moving object like a bus.

rename bus lanes to something else so people might associate those lanes with the possibility of other modes of transport?

remove bus lanes?

make non bus users of these lanes more aware of potential danger and be vigilant about other road users. You may be legally in the correct position, but this does mean your automatically safe.

Occasionally users (mbikes included) use these lanes to bypass a lane stoppage etc. people crossing this line think that since they canÂ’t see a bus, then itÂ’s clear and push into the lane collecting the other mode of transport user. Often seen on dual carriage roads if one lane is blocked and someone is trying to cross it. (Especially over hatched areas)

other ran those 900 high yellow plastic pivoting pins, would the use of rumble strips or similar between the lanes be appropriate? Gaps as when required.

IIRC LA had carriageways were you could only enter and exit in very narrow windows, long stretches of non interrupted lanes. Introduce areas of no crossing into lanes?

Most people aren’t capable of thinking of others, in this area, it’s a case of getting ahead, no matter what the risk. Smaller vehicles are just forgotten when this mode of driving is occurring

is this what the OP was after?

i used to travel into these areas on a almost daily occurrence, not missing the much more congested region now.

[nerrrd]

After commuting in the bus lane down Dominion Road daily for a couple of years, the scooter riders were the ones that scared me most - the majority mindset seemed to be no stopping (or slowing down) allowed under any circumstances, including past the gaps in the line of traffic to the right.

I’d expect them to be over-represented in these kind of accidents, but I think I only ever came across a couple in that time.

[Scuba_Steve]

After commuting in the bus lane down Dominion Road daily for a couple of years, the scooter riders were the ones that scared me most - the majority mindset seemed to be no stopping (or slowing down) allowed under any circumstances, including past the gaps in the line of traffic to the right.

I’d expect them to be over-represented in these kind of accidents, but I think I only ever came across a couple in that time.

half the problem there is scooter riders (I'm assuming we're talking moped) are just car drivers with 'cheaper transport' & often teenage ones at that

[rastuscat]

half the problem there is scooter riders (I'm assuming we're talking moped) are just car drivers with 'cheaper transport' & often teenage ones at that

Indeed. It's totally bonkers that people can sit a car theory test, get a learners car licence, then go and ride a moped.

With no rider education at all. Same risks, nil awareness. I'll dig into the stats to see if there is sufficient differentiation to identify moped crashes.

Hey, what's a good name for this risk? If I was going to start an awareness programme of this risk, what is a short, catchy name for the crash?

Remember, it can happen in bus lanes, cycle lanes, any time you are going up the left of a line of stationary vehicles.

Yes, it'd be good to target this programme at both riders and drivers who might be in the wrong.

[MarkW]

Hey, what's a good name for this risk?

How about "The Dangerous Right"? Yes you have the "right" to be there but with that "right" comes the risk from the "right" as the nose of a vehicle shoots into the space that the rider is about to occupy.

[rastuscat]

How about "The Dangerous Right"? Yes you have the "right" to be there but with that "right" comes the risk from the "right" as the nose of a vehicle shoots into the space that the rider is about to occupy.

Great starter for 10. Thanks.

[rastuscat]

The Risky Right?

You have the right to do it, but the risk comes from the right.

Genius.

[babysteps]

Actually I call bullshit. Was Lion Red a thing back then?

1982 they changed from Lion Beer to Lion Red. That was Craft Beer back then!

[rastuscat]

1982 they changed from Lion Beer to Lion Red. That was Craft Beer back then!

Craft beer drinkers called it Lyon Rouge back then.

[caseye]

Craft beer drinkers called it Lyon Rouge back then.

Sá rumour, No such thing as Lion Red Beer, it's PISS WATER!
""Entitled but dead"" Rastus, there you go, only fools on horses/ Mopeds and scoots have the 1 brain cell required to believe they have the right to be there, but cant think far enough ahead to know what to do when their nex thought is, Oh, whats that naughty car doing in my lane!!