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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    Its about 70% white.


    How's changing the demographics from 70% white to something completely different in 20 years "not really a thing"?


    How does that not totally change a country?


    All we end up with is living in their own groups in each town preaching their own religions and asking for their own political power to have things the way they want them.


    This is not rocket science to work out.

    And the 'white' people are exactly that - made up of different multicultural groups - Anglo-Saxons are descended from the Jutes and Celts, the Picts, Romans, Saxons, Angles, Vikings, Normans, etc etc

    Anglo-Saxons are not even the original people - all invaders who won. And all the people fought the invaders (and lost) .. Christianity also won - for a while.


    get a grip - it's just people being people ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    get a grip - it's just people being people ..
    There is something to be said for having a commonality between disparate groups of people that allows them to unite under a set of common ideals.

    Whether it be Race, Sport, Religion, Nationality etc.

    It does seem to me that there is a point at which new input cannot be assimilated, 'taught' and accept those common ideals because the ability for society to do so is slower than the rate of ingress.

    That also said, it also seems to me that what used to be near universal ideals (at least amongst the English and their Colonies), have either been forgotten, undermined or simply no longer understood - to be fair, some of those that have been abandoned have been done so for very good reason, others - I'm not so sure. It's like we saw the errors we made when we conquered the world and so have become afraid of enforcing any ideals, lest we get it wrong.

    The problem therein is that in our desire to not get it wrong by not doing anything, we have stopped doing things that actually made things right (or more right).

    Of course on the flipside, to you Bandit, is that about 150 years ago, you'd be saying the exact same thing to me, so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post

    That also said, it also seems to me that what used to be near universal ideals (at least amongst the English and their Colonies), have either been forgotten, undermined or simply no longer understood - to be fair, some of those that have been abandoned have been done so for very good reason, others - I'm not so sure. It's like we saw the errors we made when we conquered the world and so have become afraid of enforcing any ideals, lest we get it wrong.

    The problem therein is that in our desire to not get it wrong by not doing anything, we have stopped doing things that actually made things right (or more right).

    Of course on the flipside, to you Bandit, is that about 150 years ago, you'd be saying the exact same thing to me, so....

    Yeah - the problem is these 'universals' you speak of (again) The English and its colonies may well have held those - the Indigenous people who were already there did not share them .. and still do not share them ....

    And the times have changed .. the sexist patriarchy has been successfully challenged, Imperialism is dead, the Bourgeois peoples have won, and any attemtp to 'make it right' as you say will be viewed as just more Imperialism and Colonization - Europeans (and especially the English) no longer have any sort of high ground to make pronouncements about the rest of the world .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Yeah - the problem is these 'universals' you speak of (again) The English and its colonies may well have held those - the Indigenous people who were already there did not share them .. and still do not share them ....

    And the times have changed .. the sexist patriarchy has been successfully challenged, Imperialism is dead, the Bourgeois peoples have won, and any attemtp to 'make it right' as you say will be viewed as just more Imperialism and Colonization - Europeans (and especially the English) no longer have any sort of high ground to make pronouncements about the rest of the world .

    Pfff what ballony.

    I dont know how many bourgeois people you know but from what I can see the elite top tier people have won. And right now they are putting the boot into all the lower classes not just the bourgeois. They give everyone below them lip service and have them fight amongst themselves over perceived wrongdoings like what you are crapping on about above.


    Weather those elite are the english or whoever they are dictating how the world is run end of story.


    You are being played and you dont even realize it. You have a preconceived idea of how things are going to play out from here but it wont go how you think its going to go quite the opposite infact.

    If you thought imperialism and colonization was bad your going to be in for a major shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Yeah - the problem is these 'universals' you speak of (again) The English and its colonies may well have held those
    There's a whole separate discussion as to what the universals are. The only one I'm certain on is the right to self-determination.

    There is also the book Human Universals by Donald Brown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    the Indigenous people who were already there did not share them .. and still do not share them ....
    Are you saying they don't share the idea of Self-Determination?

    Thinking on this, I would hazard a guess the biggest idea that isn't shared is the notion of Individual property right vs Communal property rights - but that flies in the face of Self-Determination - if you do not own that which you have labored for, you cannot truly be self-determining.

    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    And the times have changed .. the sexist patriarchy has been successfully challenged, Imperialism is dead, the Bourgeois peoples have won, and any attemtp to 'make it right' as you say will be viewed as just more Imperialism and Colonization - Europeans (and especially the English) no longer have any sort of high ground to make pronouncements about the rest of the world .
    Except, No.

    I can find you umpteen left-wing articles that will happily proclaim that Patriarchy is alive and well. Further to that, it seems that with time, systems based upon class and other unchanging attributes have given way to systems based on competence and success.

    Bourgeois have won? Not in the Communistic Sense, quite the opposite in fact. What happened was that they found that under a Capitalist system they got massive improvements in their standards of living. Looking at what is happening overseas, the Left-Wing parties have become the party of the Middle-Class Socialists, not the working Class. Policies like Open Borders are directly having a negative impact on the so-called Bourgeois, which is why they are starting to vote Conservative - hell even Obama recently has been warning the Democrats in the US not to continue down the path they are on.

    The final problem though is an intractable one: At some point you either have to enforce your values or submit to someone else's and where the Rubber meets the Road is on certain issues: My preferred example being Wife Burning/Honor Killing. It IS Imperialistic and Colonialist to ban these practices and force someone else to adhere to your culture. However to not do so is to condone (by proxy) for these activities.

    I always maintain an absolute on certain issues - that we do infact have a high ground on some issues to make pronouncements to the rest of the world
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