Grace Millane.

[MarkH]

Not at all.

As I have repeatedly said, as a motorcyclist I try to mitigate the risks that I might be likely to face.

I don't see any reflection of that in Grace Millane's actions whatsoever.

No you don't. You could drive a 5-star ancap rated car instead of riding a motorcycle, but you don't. You deliberately face risks to do something you enjoy and you do not have to do that. There is absolutely no reason to risk your life to ride a motorcycle, except that you want to do it because you enjoy it. We all take risks everyday, many of those risks are not necessary, but our lives would be hard to live if we insisted on avoiding all risks.

Did Grace Millane meet a stranger for the first time somewhere private - or did she meet him in a public place? Clearly she DID mitigate some of the risks, it isn't her fault that the guy she met turned out to be a murderer. Just like you don't know that the motorists you share a road are not murderers.

You have provided NOTHING to backup any idea that having rough sex with a stranger actually carries a high risk of death. 1 in how many encounters like this would end up with the woman dead? You have nothing to back up your ignorant opinion!

[Katman]

No you don't. You could drive a 5-star ancap rated car instead of riding a motorcycle, but you don't. You deliberately face risks to do something you enjoy and you do not have to do that. There is absolutely no reason to risk your life to ride a motorcycle, except that you want to do it because you enjoy it. We all take risks everyday, many of those risks are not necessary, but our lives would be hard to live if we insisted on avoiding all risks.

Did Grace Millane meet a stranger for the first time somewhere private - or did she meet him in a public place? Clearly she DID mitigate some of the risks, it isn't her fault that the guy she met turned out to be a murderer. Just like you don't know that the motorists you share a road are not murderers.

You have provided NOTHING to backup any idea that having rough sex with a stranger actually carries a high risk of death. 1 in how many encounters like this would end up with the woman dead? You have nothing to back up your ignorant opinion!

Do you actually understand the concept of 'mitigating' risk?

[husaberg]

No you don't. You could drive a 5-star ancap rated car instead of riding a motorcycle, but you don't. You deliberately face risks to do something you enjoy and you do not have to do that. There is absolutely no reason to risk your life to ride a motorcycle, except that you want to do it because you enjoy it. We all take risks everyday, many of those risks are not necessary, but our lives would be hard to live if we insisted on avoiding all risks.

Did Grace Millane meet a stranger for the first time somewhere private - or did she meet him in a public place? Clearly she DID mitigate some of the risks, it isn't her fault that the guy she met turned out to be a murderer. Just like you don't know that the motorists you share a road are not murderers.

You have provided NOTHING to backup any idea that having rough sex with a stranger actually carries a high risk of death. 1 in how many encounters like this would end up with the woman dead? You have nothing to back up your ignorant opinion!

Nor does he have any proof at all that Grace decided or consented to engage in that kind of sex with him or indeed any sex at all.
The only reason Stevo has even posted this thread is to draw attention to himself he has no empathy or compassion, hes just trolling for attention Same as normal with him.

[Katman]

Nor does he have any proof at all that Grace decided or consented to engage in that kind of sex with him or indeed any sex at all.

The total absence of any evidence of her fighting off her killer is pretty damning evidence though.

[MarkH]

Read it again.

This time get someone who can actually understand English to help you.

Your post was of a very flawed analogy, it doesn't explain anything.
Making a stupid statement that explains nothing relevant and then repeatedly pointing to it and screaming "look, that explains it" isn't really a good way of making a point.

Why would you think a rider that gets drunk and then gets you to hop in his sidecar while he rides around a circuit, would lead to that rider murdering you? I would think that it would be much more likely to end in your accidental death, which is NOT what we are talking about with Grace Millane.

A closer analogy would be to spend some time at a pub drinking with a guy who then invites you around to his place to enjoy some more drinks, when you get there he murders you. Then some stupid cunt on the internet says that it was your fault for going to a drunk stranger's house without being sure he wasn't a murderer.

[Katman]

Why would you think a rider that gets drunk and then gets you to hop in his sidecar while he rides around a circuit, would lead to that rider murdering you?

Why would you not consider that your death could be a very real possibility in that scenario?

[Katman]

A closer analogy would be to spend some time at a pub drinking with a guy who then invites you around to his place to enjoy some more drinks, when you get there he murders you.

Except you're missing out the part where you invite him to choke you.

[husaberg]

The total absence of any evidence of her fighting off her killer is pretty damning evidence though.

Its a bit of a bummer for you The last girl he nearly suffocated had no injuries either, grace could have also passed out. He also could have threatened her with a knife for all you know.
She likely never consented for explicit photos to be taken of her after her death either.
But go ahead keep making up the story that there is any proof at all she consented to be strangled. Its the only way your latest attempt at trolling the death of a person, you should be ashamed of yourself. but you clearly dont have the ability to actually display any real empathy. Its just as well you never had any children. I cant imagine you being able to love anyone more than you love yourself.
Do the world a favour keep your posts about this sort of crap exclusively to your grinder account.

[Katman]

grace could have also passed out. He also could have threatened her with a knife for all you know.
She likely never consented for explicit photos to be taken of her afterwards either.

So speculation is only permissible when you do it?

[husaberg]

So speculation is only permissible when you do it?

you were not speculating though now were you.
You remindered it all wrong stevo


caught in another lie steve

Asking a pissed stranger to choke her certainly 'contributed' to her death.

Regardless of whether one thinks it's 'weird' or not, my question is "is it sensible to allow a pissed stranger to choke you?"
Not only do I think it's not sensible, I think it's downright fucking stupid (excuse the pun).

And at the risk of repeating myself, is asking a complete stranger to choke you, after only spending a few hours on the piss with them, taking any (let alone 'all') reasonable precautions?

you were presenting your speculation as being a fact.
there is no evidence to suggest Grace ever asked the killer to choke her so stop presenting it as if its a fact in anywhere but your own paranoid mind.

[Katman]

you were not speculating though now were you.

I thought that was what you were suggesting I was doing.

You should probably make up your retarded mind.

[husaberg]

I thought that was what you were suggesting I was doing.

You should probably make up your retarded mind.

You clearly haven't thought it through very much, because your whole premise is total conjecture based on the testimony of what his own family describe as a compulsive liar
Yet you continually attempt to present your own conjecture as being fact.
i clearly presented what i said as being conjecture as conjecture. that where the words could and likely come in.

[Katman]

because your whole premise is total conjecture

I thought you said I wasn't speculating.

[caspernz]

For two guys who have obvious contempt and borderline hatred for each other, you both sure seem equally fixated on each other. Endless quoted posts, screenshots, signature references and reported posts. It's almost like a love affair.

Almost seems like they've got the room to themselves though...with all this sexual tension most sensible folks just exit

PS. Thanks guys, for reminding me why I rarely stop by KB nowadays.

[BMWST?]

Agree with the first part - it is entirely possible to take all reasonable precautions and still end up dead.

The last part, she was not to know she had hooked up with a sane person either.

they had all been sane up to that point ,why would you think this time was any different ?