Grace Millane.

[Swoop]

Remember that the case started with the first day being discussions of a legal nature...
No jury required to attend.


Quite frankly that would have been one trial I would not have wanted to be on. Reading through the judge's summing up indicated multiple layers of legalese to work through.
Also, a jury being sent off for deliberation on a Friday, is always bad news for the defence.

[Katman]

And furthermore, another thing that I find equally disturbing is that it seems to have become fashionable these days to view any suggestion that a victim could have taken steps to avoid (or mitigate the extent of) an incident, as 'victim bashing' - instead of as an opportunity to learn something from others mistakes.

[TheDemonLord]

And furthermore, another thing that I find equally disturbing is that it seems to have become fashionable these days to view any suggestion that a victim could have taken steps to avoid (or mitigate the extent of) an incident, as 'victim bashing' - instead of as an opportunity to learn something from others mistakes.

That is where a knowledge of the Psychology of the people you face helps.

[Katman]

That is where a knowledge of the Psychology of the people you face helps.

And there's another example of one of your posts which is simply designed to try and make you sound clever - but actually says nothing at all.

[TheDemonLord]

And there's another example of one of your posts which is simply designed to try and make you sound clever - but actually says nothing at all.

Simply put: If there are actions that can be taken to prevent an issue, then they aren't a purely passive victim, they have agency.

If one has agency, one can be held accountable and furthermore if one has agency then they have the capacity to instigate change within themselves.

Whereas if one is a passive victim, the burden of responsibility always lies elsewhere.

What you are seeing is the Social Justice/Feminist/Post-Modern extension of the Marxist idea of the Proletariat and Bourgeois, only it's Oppressor and Oppressed. Or more Specifically, Victim and Victimiser.

I've had this discussion with many people - I'm for sexual Equality as much as the next guy - I love Slut walks - plenty of Nubile 20 something ladies walking around practically naked as some form of Protest, declaring their right to be promiscuous - I'm 100% for that - however, when pointing out that some people who have horrible things done to them (that we all agree should not be done) made a number of decisions that significantly increased their risk and may even have been causal to their assault (that again, we agree should never happen) - they get defensive and readily say that this never happens when it is a Men.

I frequently point them to places like this and any Accident thread, pointing out that actually, it's the opposite, Men are far more harsh with each other - you yourself have been a frequent proponent (that I happen to agree with) that almost all Accidents are the result of not taking preventative measures in ones riding.

There is also a flipside - which my initial comment in this thread got Culled - which is that Women have demanded that the Social taboos around Sex be removed and whilst I on the whole thing this is a good thing - This case along with others (both Legal and philosophical) seem to suggest that Women have paid a heavy price for these removals - and as the old Adage goes: Be Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[Katman]

What you are seeing is the Social Justice/Feminist/Post-Modern extension of the Marxist idea of the Proletariat and Bourgeois, only it's Oppressor and Oppressed. Or more Specifically, Victim and Victimiser.

If you say so.

Or it could just be that the idea of taking some personal responsibility for one's own safety is being bred out of us.

[TheDemonLord]

If you say so.

Or it could just be that the idea of taking some personal responsibility for one's own safety is being bred out of us.

It's not my Say-So, the people that advocate for it aren't shy about talking about their real intentions.

[pritch]

The young lady’s behaviour can be regarded as “normal” she was away from home and keen to let her hair down. A tragic ending. I felt sorry for her parents having to sit through that trial.

We had a blip in the abortion stats a while back, the Asian students out from under parental supervision for the first time in their life and unaware of the risks or precautions were getting caught out.

[Katman]

The young lady’s behaviour can be regarded as “normal” she was away from home and keen to let her hair down.

I'm not so sure that asking a complete stranger to strangle you while you're having sex could be considered normal - let alone sensible.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not so sure that asking a complete stranger to strangle you while you're having sex could be considered normal - let alone sensible.

You've not lived

[Katman]

You've not lived

Probably rather poor taste considering the subject matter.

[TheDemonLord]

Probably rather poor taste considering the subject matter.

Are you accusing me of having good Taste?

I thought we'd been over it.

[jasonu]

The young lady’s behaviour can be regarded as “normal” she was away from home and keen to let her hair down. .

If you regard strangulation during sex with a nearly complete stranger normal they you are one sick fucker.

[TheDemonLord]

If you regard strangulation during sex with a nearly complete stranger normal they you are one sick fucker.

I regard it as Awesome.


I'm surprised at the amount of Prudes here.

[johcar]

If you regard strangulation during sex with a nearly complete stranger normal they you are one sick fucker.

Isn't everything done between consenting adults "normal"?

Any other opinion is surely a purely subjective viewpoint, based on the morals/upbringing of the opinion holder...

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