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    Grace Millane.

    So Grace Millane's killer has been found guilty - and rightly so. (Anyone who goes out looking for sex the next night, after they've just disposed of last night's body, deserves nothing but a guilty verdict).

    But now we're also getting bombarded with the fact that 'violence against women must stop' (which, of itself, is a perfectly valid statement).

    Why isn't the message also being pushed, that if you happen to enjoy engaging in 'rough sex' (as is an individuals right), it's probably not wise to do so with someone you only met that night.

    Personal responsibility seems to be taking a back seat yet again.

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    "Personal responsibility seems to be taking a back seat yet again."

    Of course it does. We live in a socialist state where Joe and Jane Public rely on Auntie Jacinda to tell them what's best for them.

    Wasn't any better under the last lot either!

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    Goose and gander?

    Wasn't the case concerning the cricket umpire found in the Huka falls almost an identical (similar at least) case? - - and think "they" got off? - (no pun intended)

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    I'd be interested to know why, in the Millane case, even after the guilty verdict the accused has name suppression and all pictures are blurred, but in the Amber Rose Rush case in Dunedin, even as the trial is in progress we know the accused name, occupation and can view pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    I'd be interested to know why, in the Millane case, even after the guilty verdict the accused has name suppression and all pictures are blurred, but in the Amber Rose Rush case in Dunedin, even as the trial is in progress we know the accused name, occupation and can view pictures.
    He doent appear to be famous or rich from what i can see
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...f=art_readmore
    his name has been released in the UK

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    Interestingly, he was named by quite a few media publications today in britain and then it seems they have done a retraction, online at least.
    His suppresion will be to protect his own family most likely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Why isn't the message also being pushed, that if you happen to enjoy engaging in 'rough sex' (as is an individuals right), it's probably not wise to do so with someone you only met that night.
    I'm not sure how you define rough sex but I am pretty sure that it doesn't normally end up with a dead body.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Interestingly, he was named by quite a few media publications today in britain and then it seems they have done a retraction, online at least.
    His suppresion will be to protect his own family most likely?
    Just off the phone to England where they asked me what the name suppression was all about. Couldn't explain. I imagine that everyone who knows him also knows that it is him.

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    I wonder, does he have other similar cases against him now or something that the name suppression remains, in Australia maybe because the Aussies don't seem to be spilling his name unlike the Poms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post

    But now we're also getting bombarded with the fact that 'violence against women must stop' (which, of itself, is a perfectly valid statement).

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    so why us, why aren't they protesting outside the Whipler office instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post

    Personal responsibility seems to be taking a back seat yet again.
    NZ is a nanny state. They like to make rules for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merv View Post
    I wonder, does he have other similar cases against him now or something that the name suppression remains, in Australia maybe because the Aussies don't seem to be spilling his name unlike the Poms?
    If they arent famous this is usually why.

    A year down the track this will likely come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    I'd be interested to know why, in the Millane case, even after the guilty verdict the accused has name suppression and all pictures are blurred, but in the Amber Rose Rush case in Dunedin, even as the trial is in progress we know the accused name, occupation and can view pictures.
    There is a very good reason, which will become apparent in due course. And no, I won't be sharing it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    So Grace Millane's killer has been found guilty - and rightly so. (Anyone who goes out looking for sex the next night, after they've just disposed of last night's body, deserves nothing but a guilty verdict).

    But now we're also getting bombarded with the fact that 'violence against women must stop' (which, of itself, is a perfectly valid statement).

    Why isn't the message also being pushed, that if you happen to enjoy engaging in 'rough sex' (as is an individuals right), it's probably not wise to do so with someone you only met that night.

    Personal responsibility seems to be taking a back seat yet again.
    Well said.
    I was deeply saddened by Grace Millane's murder. Yes we should all live in a safe crime free world. Able to leave our homes and cars unlocked with the keys in, never to be stolen. Woman should be able to hitch hike alone in any country totally secure in the knowledge that no harm will come to them. Men should be able to disagree with someone about something in a bar without fear of his mates kicking the shit out of them later on. Reality is another thing and a degree of caution to ones own safety is unfortunately a necessity of staying alive. I hitched hiked a bit on my OE in Europe when I was 21-22, but I was acutely aware of my vulnerability and kept my wits about me when alone.
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    Moderator's note.

    I have pruned a lot of posts from this thread that were in my opinion off topic or leading towards off topic. I chose this action rather than consigning the entire thread to PD. If anyone posts the killers name or provides links to it on this site while the suppression order is still in place I will be pushing for a ban. I will be watching this thread and will send it to PD if I see it going to sh#t again.

    (BTW, do not quote this post, my decision is final. Quoting this post will be seen as off topic and will receive an infraction.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    Reality is another thing and a degree of caution to ones own safety is unfortunately a necessity of staying alive. I hitched hiked a bit on my OE in Europe when I was 21-22, but I was acutely aware of my vulnerability and kept my wits about when alone.
    Whereas these days the exact opposite seems to be encouraged.

    It seems like we're being led down a path of accepting that one should be allowed do anything they like without having to be held at all responsible for their actions.

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