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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    The harsh reality might be that any post-licence training creates two broad groups of riders.
    One group becomes safer (and in the process often faster as well) whereas the other group now merely crashes at a higher speed.

    We need to appeal to someone's ego to attend a course, then put a leash on that ego during the course, while we alter their outlook.

    Had a chap today who was astonished how an eye lead time of 12 seconds or more made him faster, whilst feeling slower, all because he now has more "time to react" now where have I read that before?? Oh and safer as well, which wasn't lost on him, yet he got more excited about going faster.
    Can't see ACC being keen to promote R4E along the lines of "be faster than your riding mates" anytime soon though.
    The problem with "fast" is it creates greater kinetic energy dispersion.

    Smoothe is the new fast. Creating smoother riding is a great way to enjoy riding while reducing risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The problem with "fast" is it creates greater kinetic energy dispersion.

    Smoothe is the new fast. Creating smoother riding is a great way to enjoy riding while reducing risk.
    Smooth operator is how we talk about a well trained/practiced driver in the trucking sphere, maybe it'll catch on among bikers if it's packaged right
    If the words I say offend you, imagine the ones I keep to myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I need a new word for "safe".
    Best I could come up with was "skill" but you'd have to imply the "fun"skill rather than the "educational" skill
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I need a new word for "safe".

    Ride Forever courses, without doubt, scientifically proven, improve riders safety. But few people will go along to become safer. "Safe" is about as dull as an old English penny.

    What words would attract you to do a course?

    This applies right across the driver education sphere. Put the word "safe" in a course and it sounds dull.
    Not one word, but why not "ride with reduced risk". Surely that is what training is about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking01 View Post
    Not one word, but why not "ride with reduced risk". Surely that is what training is about ?
    .......and don't forget "ride with more enjoyment". That's certainly been my experience since upskilling.

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    I'd love to participate in further riding training and refresher courses BUT , the reality is that they only seem to hold courses in the main centres and there is no attempt to get to provincial centres. If there was a course 2 or three times a year within an hour of home, I'd give it a crack more often. It would also be nice for an instructor to let you know if they aren't going to turn up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nzspokes View Post

    Sadly the ones that need the most are the least likely to attend, then complain about ACC costs.

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    a bit like the 2 areshats on harleys that were leaving the Long Drop rally at Duntroon this morning , just past Kurow at the Waitaki dam there is a stretch of road works with a one way bit controlled by lights, these two clowns went through the red and appeared around the corner in front of us us we were moving off on the green light, lucky for them i stopped and let them past, if it was your usual chinese tourist in his white corolla up that way they would have been toast, then everyone would say fucken cagers need to learn how to drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimO View Post
    a bit like the 2 areshats on harleys that were leaving the Long Drop rally at Duntroon this morning , just past Kurow at the Waitaki dam there is a stretch of road works with a one way bit controlled by lights, these two clowns went through the red and appeared around the corner in front of us us we were moving off on the green light, lucky for them i stopped and let them past, if it was your usual chinese tourist in his white corolla up that way they would have been toast, then everyone would say fucken cagers need to learn how to drive
    Hear ya.

    Was on a ride with my beloved and making a RH turn on state Highway 1. 2 bellends on Hogs decided to overtake.

    Both of us were indicating the turn. 0 situational awareness.
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    but once again you proved me wrong.
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    I was hit by one such driver while remaining in the view of their mirror.

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    To cool for school will never go away, it's reaching those who hang with the arse hats but are actually quite smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    What words would attract you to do a course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I'd love to participate in further riding training and refresher courses BUT , the reality is that they only seem to hold courses in the main centres and there is no attempt to get to provincial centres. If there was a course 2 or three times a year within an hour of home, I'd give it a crack more often. It would also be nice for an instructor to let you know if they aren't going to turn up.
    The challenge for providers is to get enough people to attend. It's a chicken and egg situation. If enough people were keen to do a course to make it economically viable, a provider would set it up and run it.

    Historically though, I'm aware of a provider who set up 8 courses in an area over a summer but had to cancel 5 of them due to a lack of interest by people.

    Having the demand meet the supply is the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The challenge for providers is to get enough people to attend. It's a chicken and egg situation. If enough people were keen to do a course to make it economically viable, a provider would set it up and run it.

    Historically though, I'm aware of a provider who set up 8 courses in an area over a summer but had to cancel 5 of them due to a lack of interest by people.

    Having the demand meet the supply is the challenge.
    That's the same problem we have with, for example, the other kind of cyclists (bi). The roads aren't safe so they don't use them so when we go out to measure numbers, there aren't any, resulting in no/insufficient capacityon the new/improved/safer road. Unfortunately it is chicken and egg, perhaps some targeted advertising to get a minimum of 4 then wider advertisement to make up the numbers?

    PS apologies for not responding to you about an earlier research thread. We are in the business case world so all very theoretical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Zip ties on most of the broken YKK zip pulls at mine.
    It's nout to do with broken zips to me.
    i've found at times riding along then thinking if i'd left a pocket unzipped, maybe a wallet sunnies phone etc has been used on the side of the road or at a stop, or all three, so get worried i might lose something as i lost a wallet this way once. sometimes it's not east to pullover then the mind wanders from the road worrying and that's not good
    simple answer i've done is some coloured pipe cleaners from the two dollar shop looped through them, then it's easy to grab and check with gloves, no fumbling, and close on the move, also can be seen in the mirror and then you've got an answer so you can get back to concentrating on the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    It's nout to do with broken zips to me.
    i've found at times riding along then thinking if i'd left a pocket unzipped, maybe a wallet sunnies phone etc has been used on the side of the road or at a stop, or all three, so get worried i might lose something as i lost a wallet this way once. sometimes it's not east to pullover then the mind wanders from the road worrying and that's not good
    simple answer i've done is some coloured pipe cleaners from the two dollar shop looped through them, then it's easy to grab and check with gloves, no fumbling, and close on the move, also can be seen in the mirror and then you've got an answer so you can get back to concentrating on the road
    I go through the same thing. So I go through a mental checklist each time I get on the bike, ticking everything off (phone, wallet, zips, etc) before setting off. That way I can concentrate on the ride and not worry about any of that. Works for me but YMMV.
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