A little warning for newer members.

[TwoSeven]

The thing that concerns me most is the lack of a personal liability disclaimer in the signup process or on the main screen. There should be some big disclaimer here that information shared is peoples personal opinions and shouldnt be taken for fact or something like that.

Technically as I understand it, if you tell someone (directly or indirectly in a discussion) to try something on their bike and they crash - you could be liable for the result. Since I am not a business with the appropriate indemnity insurance - its quite off-putting. I delete many posts simply because I'm not sure about liability.

[Postie]

you mean I can get some earth women just by posting here?

any viable specimens please send me one of those private massages through your internet to me.

FARKIN 'ELL rolf: , your avartar looks like a deformed, shaved scrotum sack............

[*sic]

liability, on an open public forum?

come on!

i can say what the hell i want and if anyone wants to go out and do it and they ruin their shit thats just natural selection working at its magical best.

[:rofl:]

FARKIN 'ELL rolf: , your avartar looks like a deformed, shaved scrotum sack............

you think maybe I should grow a soul patch?

[jrandom]

Technically as I understand it, if you tell someone (directly or indirectly in a discussion) to try something on their bike and they crash - you could be liable for the result...

as is your wont, 27, you are spouting poopoo.

the morning when you wake up and realise that you don't have a degree in everything from the university of awesomeness will herald the beginning of a new, and vastly more attractive, life for you.

[Indiana_Jones]

Great, now my plans to convert the 'Top Gun' school into 'Top Bike' have been shown to the world!

Ahwell,

TALK TO ME PYRO!

-Indy

[pyrocam]

Great, now my plans to convert the 'Top Gun' school into 'Top Bike' have been shown to the world!

Ahwell,

TALK TO ME PYRO!

-Indy

aye? whats on now?

[TwoSeven]

as is your wont, 27, you are spouting poopoo.

the morning when you wake up and realise that you don't have a degree in everything from the university of awesomeness will herald the beginning of a new, and vastly more attractive, life for you.

I'm pretty sure that if you offer someone advice that leads to their injury, whether it be in person, by writing, or on the net, you can be held liable unless you get the people to sign a liability disclaimer.

I understand you need a 'disclaimer' and/or 'limitation of liability' disclaimer.


There are good examples on most mainstream websites.

Here is one from allergy NZ

Allergy New Zealand Inc. has made reasonable efforts to ensure that the health information contained herein is accurate and up to date. To the extent permitted by law, Allergy New Zealand Inc., their employees and agents accept no liability (even if negligent) for any injury, loss or damage caused by reliance on any part of this information

Here is the one from AUT, note the imdemnification clause and the limitation of liability.
http://www.aut.ac.nz/copyright.htm

[James Deuce]

Two Seven, you can't sue in NZ for injury, so those disclaimers are there purely for the International viewership.

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

[Colapop]

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

I can't see anything on the internet being enforcable by law. I get pissed and fall down and hurt myself (so I've found out later) all the time and it's never my fault. Shall I wear a disclaimer so that I don't sue myself?

[FROSTY:Me]

i THINK ONE AND ALL NEED TO READ 2/7'S SIGGY --basicly he is stating clearly to the world he admits he's full of effluent

[Mr Skid]

i THINK ONE AND ALL NEED TO READ 2/7'S AVITAR

How does one read a bike?

[curious george]

How does one read a bike?

Start at the front, like you normally would.....

[TwoSeven]

So then, can anyone explain why every single net site in NZ has a liability disclaimer on it - including the ones I've listed. I've yet to find a mainline site that doesnt.

Also, if you cant sue, how come you have to sign a waiver when you go racing at any track or participate in any sports event. Why are people suing other people for injury, negligence and liability.

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Next you will be telling me you cant liable/slander someone on the net. Or that net based contracts are not legally binding.

Personally, until one of you knowlegable people can post a link to the NZ law site that contains a valid reason why a liability disclaimer is not required, I'll continue to keep mine on my sig

[edit: update]
The reason why I made the comment is because i'd be rather upset if I said something, even if I was just spouting off, saying what tecnique I used when I rode a bike or something, and some poor bugger took it literally and hurt themselves trying it out. I'd feel like a right heel. However, its also a biking site and people - ie. me, want to natter with other people about how they do things so as I can learn new stuff.

So the reason why I mentioned the liability/disclaimer thing wasnt so much as to stir shit, but to raise the issue that perhaps people should have it explained to them that [in my opinion] that they shouldnt believe everything they read - no matter how authoritive it may sound, in much the same way that toy companies suggest you shouldnt try and emulate superman by jumping off house rooves with a cape on. To me its an ethical problem, I want to talk about the advanced nuances of riding bikes, but I also dont want to risk accidently causing harm to someone by saying something that would be better said by a trained instructor.

[MacD]

Two Seven, you can't sue in NZ for injury, so those disclaimers are there purely for the International viewership.

ACC and it's associate Act of Parliament make NZ a no fault injury country.

Not quite true these days. Have a read of this (I've posted this link before).

In particular you may be able to sue for punitive damages, the civil equivalent of a criminal fine. ACC only covers compensation and rehabilitation.

As for whether you can be sued for something you say on an internet forum (most likely of a libelous nature), well quite possibly. It depends if you piss off somebody with deep enough pockets and the inclination to pursue you through the courts.